- AlEx_OiL

Hello Alex.

Well I think the return was as good as it was gonna get.
- Jeropotato

- AlEx_OiL

I'll take that as a yes...

Yup. At least now we know who 3 of our top 4 D are gonna be in a few years, as our centers and 2 of our top 4 wingers. We can actually do some succession planning, with a plan b in some cases.
- Jeropotato

It sucks, it does. But there's not much else we can do. I still think draft day this year will be very important for us moving forward and not based on drafting.

I'll take that as a yes...
- Oilfan19

I though that message was for that other guy you were debating with

I though that message was for that other guy you were debating with
- AlEx_OiL

(frank) idk anymore, theres to many crazies out there.

It sucks, it does. But there's not much else we can do. I still think draft day this year will be very important for us moving forward and not based on drafting.
- Oilfan19

Agreed.....but if Dion Phaneuf is the best player offered for the pick we might have to pass.

Yet Mactavish deserves more time, right? Obviously this wasn't a bungled situation in your mind. I mean, Mactavish gave Nikitin 4.5 million a year, overpaid ference, and we have Justin "Norris Potential" Schultz, who (frank)ing needs Petry, right?

The "Silver Fox" has a sterling record and deserves at least another year to put his stamp on this team!
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Your basis for the petry situation being screwed up is that these players were signed? No chance he wanted to go elsewhere though eh? Giving a 2nd pairing dman at best a huge long term contract on a sh1tty team is your answer? Had Mact done that you would be ripping him for it too now.

Agreed.....but if Dion Phaneuf is the best player offered for the pick we might have to pass.
- Jeropotato

I wouldnt be opposed to getting Dion IF we already had a #1 Dman here. Dion shouldn't be the #1 guy. Well that and his contract is untouchable

Your basis for the petry situation being screwed up is that these players were signed? No chance he wanted to go elsewhere though eh? Giving a 2nd pairing dman at best a huge long term contract on a sh1tty team is your answer? Had Mact done that you would be ripping him for it too now.
- ruttager17

He peaced it after I called him out for unsupported claims.

Well I think the return was as good as it was gonna get.
- Jeropotato

i agree, just have no (frank)ing faith that the oil are going to make good choices with them. In an article in the globe the other day about bergevin, apparently hes the mayor of the nhl gms, most respected guy blah blah blah, he mentioned there were a ton of teams trying to pry trevor timmins and rick dudley out of mtl last year, so he gave them raises that would make it near impossible to have them leave. Wonder in edm was kicking tires on them.... point is, good drafters player development, talent analysts are hard to come by. Timmins has the BEST record for drafting and for his players to make it and play in the NHL out of all current scouts in the nhl. Good scouts are and should be valued like the top player on the team.

like its been talked about ad nauseum i want the oil to clean house and bring in a new voice in the back room. To stale for my liking.

So in your estimation, 3 years is a good metric for a GM? So when the oilers are still a garbage team next season (as you just alluded to yourself), you will be ok with admitting that Mactavish hasn't improved the team, but not until then?

Sound logic.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

..... yea, actually it is pretty sound.... Is this guy for real?

Your basis for the petry situation being screwed up is that these players were signed? No chance he wanted to go elsewhere though eh? Giving a 2nd pairing dman at best a huge long term contract on a sh1tty team is your answer? Had Mact done that you would be ripping him for it too now.
- ruttager17

very well said.... you dont sign petry LT with a team like edm. I see one of the big guys going in the off season to help bolster the d. I also wouldnt be surprised to see fucale be a part of edm. Theres a price ( type talent) in the making. It would be expensive, but i think the oiler fanbase would be patient with a talent like that.

Calgary also started off that rebuild with a Norris candidate and decent D prospects. That 4 months of competitiveness will also cost them a high pick in the deepest draft in years which will hurt the rebuild. Vancouver still has a top goaltender and a solid roster, wasn't a rebuild. Answer my question, who would you of signed last year??
- Oilfan19

shhhh, it's easier to talk poop if you don't know what you're talking about

shhhh, it's easier to talk poop if you don't know what you're talking about
- SpoiledByOil

Wait are you talking about me or him?

I blame Kevin Lowe for hiring Tambo AND Mac T, and I blame MacT for more than just losing petry for peanuts. I blame him for firing Kreuger like an bumhole and hiring Eakins. I blame him for not firing Eakins soon enough, once it was obvious his experiment in coaching was a failure. I blame him for starting the season without 2 NHL centers despite the fact everyone and their dog could see the weakness down the middle, I blame him for then TRADING for Roy when he could have been had for a song over the summer, I blame him for overpaying Nikitin despite the fact anyone (other than Mactavish) could see he was riding the pine in columbus, I blame him for getting a late 1st rounder out of Perron despite the fact he had another year on his contract and lead the oilers in scoring last year, I blame him for trading Gagner for an over inflated winger with a bloated contract without replacing him with an adequate center...

I could go on and on and on.

Kevin Lowe, Craig Mactavish, and Scott Howson are the same individuals that sewered this club. They are the same individuals still calling the shots. If you don't see a problem with that after 9 (frank)ing years of ineptitude, there is nothing I will ever be able to say to change your perspective.

Enough is enough.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

hahaha oh man, you know you don't know (frank) all when you're using the bolded as an argument and not realizing that he tried to sign Roy but he declined

so much stupid

Your basis for the petry situation being screwed up is that these players were signed? No chance he wanted to go elsewhere though eh? Giving a 2nd pairing dman at best a huge long term contract on a sh1tty team is your answer? Had Mact done that you would be ripping him for it too now.
- ruttager17

What?

No seriously, what the hell is your point? Did you read my 4 point argument above? I thought it was pretty clear?

I admitted that Petry might have wanted to go elsewhere. I would want to do the same if I was treated the same way he was. At what point did I say giving Petry a huge contract was the answer?

I'll tell you what isn't the answer: Trading your best defenseman that you've spent 9 years developing for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 5th right as he hits his prime.

Is Petry a #1/2? No. Did I claim he was? No. Is Nikitin worth 4.5 million? What about Ference? Good asset management means management is cognizant of what assets it has, and builds accordingly. Petry is worth 4.5 on a 4 or even 5 year deal (certainly was last summer). It didn't take a genius to see that Nikitin was NOT worth that money.

So while I don't view Petry being retained as the ANSWER to all the oilers woes, I certainly view it as a step in the right direction. We just took one of the thinnest blue lines in the NHL and made it worse, for draft picks (and poopty picks at that). I'm not sure how that equates to good asset management in anyones mind. Mind you, it's hockeybuzz. I should be used to it by now.

Yet the flames were able to sign free agents and stay competitive despite selling off their best players. That's what... Year 2 of their rebuild? Go figure.

Or how about Vancouver? The excuses are endless.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

so is this guy insinauting that we are in fact able to sign big names, but choose not to?
is this for real?

i mean how does one even respond to this tripe? its like buddy just started to tune into the oilers last week and has no idea whats going on.


if youre not blaming mact for his failures to quickly correct the garbage fire he took over, youre an apologist!!!

fuk, i have no patience for stupid people like this

No, actually. I was a fan of Gagner's, and I felt trading him was stupid without replacing him with an adequate 2nd line center (which is sort of why I brought it up). Throwing Draisaitl to the wolves this year because the GM couldn't get the job done is just another example of Mactavish's ineptitude. He had NHL centers sitting around for weeks waiting for contract offers, yet apparently they weren't good enough to play for the mighty oilers? Give me a break.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

actually we went after a lot of C's this offseason, stated his intentions to do so, and did. But it's his fault they said no?

Classic

What?

No seriously, what the hell is your point? Did you read my 4 point argument above? I thought it was pretty clear?

I admitted that Petry might have wanted to go elsewhere. I would want to do the same if I was treated the same way he was. At what point did I say giving Petry huge contract was the answer?

I'll tell you what isn't the answer: Trading your best defenseman that you've spent 9 years developing for a 2nd rounder and a conditional pick right as he hits his prime.

Is Petry a #1/2? No. Did I claim he was? No. Is Nikitin worth 4.5 million? What about Ference? Good asset management means management is cognizant of what assets it has, and builds accordingly. Petry is worth 4.5 on a 4 or even 5 year deal (certainly was last summer). It didn't take a genius to see that Nikitin was NOT worth that money.

So while I don't view Petry being retained as the ANSWER to all the oilers woes, I certainly view it as a step in the right direction. We just took one of the thinnest blue lines in the NHL and made it worse, for draft picks (and poopty picks at that). I'm not sure how that equates to good asset management in anyones mind. Mind you, it's hockeybuzz. I should be used to it by now.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

did you not hear ron wilson on tsn today talk about the real reality that teams do tank on purpose? that he was apart of a franchise that went out of its way to tank for a better pick? read between the lines

Wait are you talking about me or him?
- Oilfan19

him

What?

No seriously, what the hell is your point? Did you read my 4 point argument above? I thought it was pretty clear?

I admitted that Petry might have wanted to go elsewhere. I would want to do the same if I was treated the same way he was. At what point did I say giving Petry huge contract was the answer?

I'll tell you what isn't the answer: Trading your best defenseman that you've spent 9 years developing for a 2nd rounder and a conditional pick right as he hits his prime.

Is Petry a #1/2? No. Did I claim he was? No. Is Nikitin worth 4.5 million? What about Ference? Good asset management means management is cognizant of what assets it has, and builds accordingly. Petry is worth 4.5 on a 4 or even 5 year deal (certainly was last summer). It didn't take a genius to see that Nikitin was NOT worth that money.

So while I don't view Petry being retained as the ANSWER to all the oilers woes, I certainly view it as a step in the right direction. We just took one of the thinnest blue lines in the NHL and made it worse, for draft picks (and poopty picks at that). I'm not sure how that equates to good asset management in anyones mind. Mind you, it's hockeybuzz. I should be used to it by now.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

but if he wanted to go as you gingerly agree to, then your entire next paragraph about his return was you wasting your time.

treated poorly? says who? cause he got benched once? i read an article recently that mike modano, vinny lecav, anze kopitar, milan lucic, dan boyle etc etc et cetc all got benched beyond their full time second years as pros. didnt seem to destroy their careers.
holy fuk, this whole scratching thing is laughable. its part of the game. and he even started to play better afterwards!


"yeah, maybe petry wanted to go.
but i cant believe stupiud mact let him go!!! "

next youll be pissed that the market for petry wasnt huge.

"how could he let him go for so little??"

well he didnt wanna stay and we had no better offers....................

"how could mact lett him go!!!?. so stupid"

so is this guy insinauting that we are in fact able to sign big names, but chose not to?
is this for real?

i mean how does one ven respond to this tripe? its like buddy just started to tune into the oilers last week and has no idea whats going on.


if youre not blaming mact for his failures to quickly correct the garbage fire he took over, youre an apologist!!!

fuk, i have no patience for stupid people like this
- Ihateallofu

Was wideman a "big name"? No. Yet he was available, and Calgary picked him up. I seem to recall many here saying he was worthless, yet he's had a great season with the flames.

I'm not sure I can spell it out any simpler for you. Let me try it in bold:
The oilers suck at asset management and that is an indictment of the management.

Let me know if I've used too many big words.

What?

No seriously, what the hell is your point? Did you read my 4 point argument above? I thought it was pretty clear?

I admitted that Petry might have wanted to go elsewhere. I would want to do the same if I was treated the same way he was. At what point did I say giving Petry a huge contract was the answer?

I'll tell you what isn't the answer: Trading your best defenseman that you've spent 9 years developing for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 5th right as he hits his prime.

Is Petry a #1/2? No. Did I claim he was? No. Is Nikitin worth 4.5 million? What about Ference? Good asset management means management is cognizant of what assets it has, and builds accordingly. Petry is worth 4.5 on a 4 or even 5 year deal (certainly was last summer). It didn't take a genius to see that Nikitin was NOT worth that money.

So while I don't view Petry being retained as the ANSWER to all the oilers woes, I certainly view it as a step in the right direction. We just took one of the thinnest blue lines in the NHL and made it worse, for draft picks (and poopty picks at that). I'm not sure how that equates to good asset management in anyones mind. Mind you, it's hockeybuzz. I should be used to it by now.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

But you want to overpay poopty centers just so we have more centers? Is this the definition of irony?

What?

No seriously, what the hell is your point? Did you read my 4 point argument above? I thought it was pretty clear?

I admitted that Petry might have wanted to go elsewhere. I would want to do the same if I was treated the same way he was. At what point did I say giving Petry a huge contract was the answer?

I'll tell you what isn't the answer: Trading your best defenseman that you've spent 9 years developing for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 5th right as he hits his prime.

Is Petry a #1/2? No. Did I claim he was? No. Is Nikitin worth 4.5 million? What about Ference? Good asset management means management is cognizant of what assets it has, and builds accordingly. Petry is worth 4.5 on a 4 or even 5 year deal (certainly was last summer). It didn't take a genius to see that Nikitin was NOT worth that money.

So while I don't view Petry being retained as the ANSWER to all the oilers woes, I certainly view it as a step in the right direction. We just took one of the thinnest blue lines in the NHL and made it worse, for draft picks (and poopty picks at that). I'm not sure how that equates to good asset management in anyones mind. Mind you, it's hockeybuzz. I should be used to it by now.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

How does mac t force a player who wants to test free agency to sign here? And why do you want to talk a guy who doesnt want be here into it?