Yet the flames were able to sign free agents and stay competitive despite selling off their best players. That's what... Year 2 of their rebuild? Go figure.

Or how about Vancouver? The excuses are endless.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Flames are a 9th place team.....plus they were way smarter in the years prior to the rebuild, started stocking up on prospects. You blame MacT for Kevin Lowe and Tambo's idiotic preparations for this rebuild? Not his fault, he just has to fix it.

Who did the Flames sign? Burkes old goalie from Anaheim and Derek 3.3million England?

I think the team is better now, the record doesnt show it, but he has more pieces in place than when he started. You probably dont see this as a better roster, and thats fair, and I expect the team to be garbage.
What I do want to see in the next year is an identity for this team, some sort of system from the coach, and some improved play. Playoffs? No. But improvements. I think I can see where this team is heading in the next few years, am optimistic, and I dont think I could see it 2 years ago.

But yeah, if we are sitting in a loery position by the All Star break Katz and Nicholson should be scouting a new operations department.
- Jeropotato

They should have been doing so by Christmas of this season.

So just out of curiosity, lets say the oilers continue their current trend of playing .500 hockey under Nelson next season, but miss the playoffs. Would you then use that as an indication of improvement under Mactavish, and suggest he deserves even more time?

At what point do you think a fresh perspective might be needed in the head office (from top to bottom)? You seem to be suggesting another bottom 5 finish next season.

Would any other fanbase or owner in the league tolerate that sort of ineptitude for such an extended period of time?

They should have been doing so by Christmas of this season.

So just out of curiosity, lets say the oilers continue their current trend of playing .500 hockey under Nelson next season, but miss the playoffs. Would you then use that as an indication of improvement under Mactavish, and suggest he deserves even more time?

At what point do you think a fresh perspective might be needed in the head office (from top to bottom)? You seem to be suggesting another bottom 5 finish next season.

Would any other fanbase or owner in the league tolerate that sort of ineptitude for such an extended period of time?
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Fresh perspective? lmao jesus. Yeah this team needs more turnover. We got rid of Eakins. Give MacT a few more years to let the team get older

Flames are a 9th place team.....plus they were way smarter in the years prior to the rebuild, started stocking up on prospects. You blame MacT for Kevin Lowe and Tambo's idiotic preparations for this rebuild? Not his fault, he just has to fix it.

Who did the Flames sign? Burkes old goalie from Anaheim and Derek 3.3million England?
- Jeropotato

I blame Kevin Lowe for hiring Tambo AND Mac T, and I blame MacT for more than just losing petry for peanuts. I blame him for firing Kreuger like an bumhole and hiring Eakins. I blame him for not firing Eakins soon enough, once it was obvious his experiment in coaching was a failure. I blame him for starting the season without 2 NHL centers despite the fact everyone and their dog could see the weakness down the middle, I blame him for then TRADING for Roy when he could have been had for a song over the summer, I blame him for overpaying Nikitin despite the fact anyone (other than Mactavish) could see he was riding the pine in columbus, I blame him for getting a late 1st rounder out of Perron despite the fact he had another year on his contract and lead the oilers in scoring last year, I blame him for trading Gagner for an over inflated winger with a bloated contract without replacing him with an adequate center...

I could go on and on and on.

Kevin Lowe, Craig Mactavish, and Scott Howson are the same individuals that sewered this club. They are the same individuals still calling the shots. If you don't see a problem with that after 9 (frank)ing years of ineptitude, there is nothing I will ever be able to say to change your perspective.

Enough is enough.

They should have been doing so by Christmas of this season.

So just out of curiosity, lets say the oilers continue their current trend of playing .500 hockey under Nelson next season, but miss the playoffs. Would you then use that as an indication of improvement under Mactavish, and suggest he deserves even more time?

At what point do you think a fresh perspective might be needed in the head office (from top to bottom)? You seem to be suggesting another bottom 5 finish next season.

Would any other fanbase or owner in the league tolerate that sort of ineptitude for such an extended period of time?
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Where did I suggest another bottom 5 finish? And I answered all of your questions in my post that you didnt comprehend. No, I dont think the Oilers will be good enough to make the playoffs, I dont think anything can be done to elevate them to the playoffs this summer, and .500 hockey would show me that on the ice they are improving. This team is 3 years away from playoffs minimum.

Where did I suggest another bottom 5 finish? And I answered all of your questions in my post that you didnt comprehend. No, I dont think the Oilers will be good enough to make the playoffs, I dont think anything can be done to elevate them to the playoffs this summer, and .500 hockey would show me that on the ice they are improving. This team is 3 years away from playoffs minimum.
- Jeropotato

So then why the (frank) should we give Mactavish more time?

I blame Kevin Lowe for hiring Tambo AND Mac T, and I blame MacT for more than just losing petry for peanuts. I blame him for firing Kreuger like an bumhole and hiring Eakins. I blame him for not firing Eakins soon enough, once it was obvious his experiment in coaching was a failure. I blame him for starting the season without 2 NHL centers despite the fact everyone and their dog could see the weakness down the middle, I blame him for then TRADING for Roy when he could have been had for a song over the summer, I blame him for overpaying Nikitin despite the fact anyone (other than Mactavish) could see he was riding the pine in columbus, I blame him for getting a late 1st rounder out of Perron despite the fact he had another year on his contract and lead the oilers in scoring last year, I blame him for trading Gagner for an over inflated winger with a bloated contract without replacing him with an adequate center...

I could go on and on and on.

Kevin Lowe, Craig Mactavish, and Scott Howson are the same individuals that sewered this club. They are the same individuals still calling the shots. If you don't see a problem with that after 9 (frank)ing years of ineptitude, there is nothing I will ever be able to say to change your perspective.

Enough is enough.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Yeah, I guess I see Mac T as being on the job for 1.5 years......

So then why the (frank) should we give Mactavish more time?
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

If hes making the gradual gains? I dont know....what magic would you like a brand new GM do ?

So then why the (frank) should we give Mactavish more time?
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Because it appears as though he has a plan. Its slow....but I would rather we keep going on this direction than some yahoo coming in here and making silly, franchise crippling knee jerk trades for over the hill veterans.

I blame Kevin Lowe for hiring Tambo AND Mac T, and I blame MacT for more than just losing petry for peanuts. I blame him for firing Kreuger like an bumhole and hiring Eakins. I blame him for not firing Eakins soon enough, once it was obvious his experiment in coaching was a failure. I blame him for starting the season without 2 NHL centers despite the fact everyone and their dog could see the weakness down the middle, I blame him for then TRADING for Roy when he could have been had for a song over the summer, I blame him for overpaying Nikitin despite the fact anyone (other than Mactavish) could see he was riding the pine in columbus, I blame him for getting a late 1st rounder out of Perron despite the fact he had another year on his contract and lead the oilers in scoring last year, I blame him for trading Gagner for an over inflated winger with a bloated contract without replacing him with an adequate center...

I could go on and on and on.

Kevin Lowe, Craig Mactavish, and Scott Howson are the same individuals that sewered this club. They are the same individuals still calling the shots. If you don't see a problem with that after 9 (frank)ing years of ineptitude, there is nothing I will ever be able to say to change your perspective.

Enough is enough.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Umm so lets let the guy who is playing like poop this year sit around and devalue himself instead of getting a 1st in a deep draft. Yeah MacT sure is an idiot to do that.. And im sure you were one of the knobs that wanted macT to get rid of gagner cause he was small.

Not that ryan rishaug is the best insider or analyst

mitch melnick had him on tsn 690 about 40 mins ago... asked about the deal

not the whole quote but he said, "< every person outside of edm knew petry would fetch less than a first>" "< edm over valued this 3-4 def because he played a first pairing role, but on a contending or better structured teams he is a 3-4 guy>"

dont know what to say, hes covered the oilers for more than a decade but i found his honesty very to the point. I value him higher, but i hope the oilers can make something out of the picks they got. ( have no confidence in oilers brass )

Geez you're on fire...
- ghostofRC

Umm so lets let the guy who is playing like poop this year sit around and devalue himself instead of getting a 1st in a deep draft. Yeah MacT sure is an idiot to do that.. And im sure you were one of the knobs that wanted macT to get rid of gagner cause he was small.
- Oilfan19

No, actually. I was a fan of Gagner's, and I felt trading him was stupid without replacing him with an adequate 2nd line center (which is sort of why I brought it up). Throwing Draisaitl to the wolves this year because the GM couldn't get the job done is just another example of Mactavish's ineptitude. He had NHL centers sitting around for weeks waiting for contract offers, yet apparently they weren't good enough to play for the mighty oilers? Give me a break.

No, actually. I was a fan of Gagner's, and I felt trading him was stupid without replacing him with an adequate 2nd line center (which is sort of why I brought it up). Throwing Draisaitl to the wolves this year because the GM couldn't get the job done is just another example of Mactavish's ineptitude. He had NHL centers sitting around for weeks waiting for contract offers, yet apparently they weren't good enough to play for the mighty oilers? Give me a break.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Just because centers are available doesnt mean they want to come play here. We over pay a guy like Jokinen to play here and right now your female doging about how MacT blew it on that guy.

Just because centers are available doesnt mean they want to come play here. We over pay a guy like Jokinen to play here and right now your female doging about how MacT blew it on that guy.
- Oilfan19

No, actually. I was a fan of Gagner's, and I felt trading him was stupid without replacing him with an adequate 2nd line center (which is sort of why I brought it up). Throwing Draisaitl to the wolves this year because the GM couldn't get the job done is just another example of Mactavish's ineptitude. He had NHL centers sitting around for weeks waiting for contract offers, yet apparently they weren't good enough to play for the mighty oilers? Give me a break.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Actually Jokinen, Roy and Ribiero all turned down meetings with Edmonton.

Not that ryan rishaug is the best insider or analyst

mitch melnick had him on tsn 690 about 40 mins ago... asked about the deal

not the whole quote but he said, "< every person outside of edm knew petry would fetch less than a first>" "< edm over valued this 3-4 def because he played a first pairing role, but on a contending or better structured teams he is a 3-4 guy>"

dont know what to say, hes covered the oilers for more than a decade but i found his honesty very to the point. I value him higher, but i hope the oilers can make something out of the picks they got. ( have no confidence in oilers brass )
- munky123

Of course Petry is a 3-4 guy on a good team. Nobody with 2 braincells to rub together has claimed otherwise. The argument is thus:

1) The oilers bungled Petry, and snubbed him on more than one occasion. A deal more than likely could have been worked out with Petry had this not been the case.

2) Petry can't be blamed for testing free agency as a result of 1)

3) The oilers SHOULD have gotten more of a return than a 2nd and a conditional 5th for Petry given the Timonen deal. Most people didn't expect a 1st back, but a 2nd and a decent prospect were not out of the question. SOMETHING OTHER THAN MAGIC BEANS

4) The oilers have consistently proven themselves to be completely retarded at drafting outside of the 1st round (and many times INSIDE the 1st round). If your team spends 9 years developing a player like Petry, they should get something tangible in return for him. If the team is unable to do so, it is poor asset management.

Not that ryan rishaug is the best insider or analyst

mitch melnick had him on tsn 690 about 40 mins ago... asked about the deal

not the whole quote but he said, "< every person outside of edm knew petry would fetch less than a first>" "< edm over valued this 3-4 def because he played a first pairing role, but on a contending or better structured teams he is a 3-4 guy>"

dont know what to say, hes covered the oilers for more than a decade but i found his honesty very to the point. I value him higher, but i hope the oilers can make something out of the picks they got. ( have no confidence in oilers brass )
- munky123

Well I think the return was as good as it was gonna get.

- AlEx_OiL

Alright? I was a huge critic of the Eakins hiring and Niki signing but what does macT have to work with. Is this team that much better with Jokinen for the full year? He's trying anything he can to find guys to make this team better. It's easy to see that.

Of course Petry is a 3-4 guy on a good team. Nobody with 2 braincells to rub together has claimed otherwise. The argument is thus:

1) The oilers bungled Petry, and snubbed him on more than one occasion. A deal more than likely could have been worked out with Petry had this not been the case.

2) Petry can't be blamed for testing free agency as a result of 1)

3) The oilers SHOULD have gotten more of a return than a 2nd and a conditional 5th for Petry given the Timonen deal. Most people didn't expect a 1st back, but a 2nd and a decent prospect were not out of the question. SOMETHING OTHER THAN MAGIC BEANS

4) The oilers have consistently proven themselves to be completely retarded at drafting outside of the 1st round (and many times INSIDE the 1st round). If your team spends 9 years developing a player like Petry, they should get something tangible in return for him. If the team is unable to do so, it is poor asset management.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

Where is your evidence to support this? Or is this just a stupid statement not based on any evidence?

Of course Petry is a 3-4 guy on a good team. Nobody with 2 braincells to rub together has claimed otherwise. The argument is thus:

1) The oilers bungled Petry, and snubbed him on more than one occasion. A deal more than likely could have been worked out with Petry had this not been the case.

2) Petry can't be blamed for testing free agency as a result of 1)

3) The oilers SHOULD have gotten more of a return than a 2nd and a conditional 5th for Petry given the Timonen deal. Most people didn't expect a 1st back, but a 2nd and a decent prospect were not out of the question. SOMETHING OTHER THAN MAGIC BEANS

4) The oilers have consistently proven themselves to be completely retarded at drafting outside of the 1st round (and many times INSIDE the 1st round). If your team spends 9 years developing a player like Petry, they should get something tangible in return for him. If the team is unable to do so, it is poor asset management.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

you only get more for Petry if someone wanted to pay it. Keep in mind he is a playoff rental with no playoff experience. A 2nd rounder for an inexperienced middle pair D on an expiring contract waas a fair return.
At least Timmonen had been there before.

Also...was Lander a bad draft choice? What about Marincin? If this were Detroit we would be saying their development is right on schedule.

So u prefer if he threw them under the bus?
- Ihateallofu

I'd prefer if he just didn't say anything

you only get more for Petry if someone wanted to pay it. Keep in mind he is a playoff rental with no playoff experience. A 2nd rounder for an inexperienced middle pair D on an expiring contract waas a fair return.
At least Timmonen had been there before.
- Jeropotato

Where is your evidence to support this? Or is this just a stupid statement not based on any evidence?
- Oilfan19

Alright? I was a huge critic of the Eakins hiring and Niki signing but what does macT have to work with. Is this team that much better with Jokinen for the full year? He's trying anything he can to find guys to make this team better. It's easy to see that.
- Oilfan19

Yup. At least now we know who 3 of our top 4 D are gonna be in a few years, as our centers and 2 of our top 4 wingers. We can actually do some succession planning, with a plan b in some cases.