I'm working on a stat that includes those factors.
- mr.peanut

Thanks bro.

I'm working on a stat that includes those factors.
- mr.peanut

How do you figure? He's starting in his own zone. Each team has an equal chance to win a faceoff, which usually happens AFTER a shot attempt. That's not really telling me anything.
- 3M

So you don't think that, all things being equal, losing a faceoff in your own zone is more likely to produce a shot against than losing a faceoff in the offensive zone?

So you don't think that, all things being equal, losing a faceoff in your own zone is more likely to produce a shot against than losing a faceoff in the offensive zone?
- BINGO!

My confusion is that this stat shows me more which players are sent out after someone else (frank)ed up and allowed a shot attempt, not necessarily which players were actually on the ice for the shot attempt before the defensive zone start.

My confusion is that this stat shows me more which players are sent out after someone else (frank)ed up and allowed a shot attempt, not necessarily which players were actually on the ice for the shot attempt before the defensive zone start.
- 3M

The darker the red is the more shot attempts against you have had while on the ice vs. shot attempts for while on the ice.

EDIT: So while he has had a higher percentage of shots against while on the ice, you can kind of expect that because he's started in his own end more often than not.

The darker the red is the more shot attempts against you have had while on the ice vs. shot attempts for while on the ice.
- BINGO!

Don't watch the games

Don't watch the games
- mr.peanut

Are you accusing or telling? Because why the (frank) would I want to regularly watch the Leafs?

Are you accusing or telling? Because why the (frank) would I want to regularly watch the Leafs?
- BINGO!

Both.

*watches the canes*

The darker the red is the more shot attempts against you have had while on the ice vs. shot attempts for while on the ice.
- BINGO!

Meh. I don't think I'm ever going to understand it. Of course, it's highly unlikely that I'll try either. I said this is confusing for me. I much prefer to just watch the games, not analyze the poop out of them.

Everything's relative. I'm sure Manny Malhotra has a bad corwick/fensi number that's really dark red and way to the left or whatever a bad number is supposed to look like on your fancy chart, based on your explanations.

But chances are most of his d-zone starts are just that, starts...not continuations of a shift. And I don't think he's taken an offensive zone faceoff all year. So if he loses 40% of his draws, and all of those end up in shot attempts, his red dot on the chart will be pretty glaring, despite the fact that 60% of the time there was no shot attempt at all? I need a beer.

Emelin is a (frank)ing expensive spare part. Like the full sized wheel and tire in the trunk of my car.
- Pecafan Fan

in his second year, before the knee injury, he really looked like a legit top 4 guy. doesn't seem to be that player anymore. overpaid for sure but you can still slot him onto your bottom pairing and he'll give you 15-17 decent minutes.

Plekanec's points per game in the regular season and playoffs are identical.
- DoubleDown

0.650815217 regular season
0.608695652 playoffs


Now Eller

0.352071006 regular season
0.6 playoffs (likely to go up).

I may have been too harsh on Plek, I still don't want to see Eller traded for a bag of pucks.

in his second year, before the knee injury, he really looked like a legit top 4 guy. doesn't seem to be that player anymore. overpaid for sure but you can still slot him onto your bottom pairing and he'll give you 15-17 decent minutes.
- DoubleDown

Agreed. He was a presence out there

in his second year, before the knee injury, he really looked like a legit top 4 guy. doesn't seem to be that player anymore. overpaid for sure but you can still slot him onto your bottom pairing and he'll give you 15-17 decent minutes.
- DoubleDown

...which is, perhaps coincidentally, exactly the average TOI of a certain someone.


http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...tm?id=8473473&view=splits

Meh. I don't think I'm ever going to understand it. Of course, it's highly unlikely that I'll try either. I said this is confusing for me. I much prefer to just watch the games, not analyze the poop out of them.

Everything's relative. I'm sure Manny Malhotra has a bad corwick/fensi number that's really dark red and way to the left or whatever a bad number is supposed to look like on your fancy chart, based on your explanations.

But chances are most of his d-zone starts are just that, starts...not continuations of a shift. And I don't think he's taken an offensive zone faceoff all year. So if he loses 40% of his draws, and all of those end up in shot attempts, his red dot on the chart will be pretty glaring, despite the fact that 60% of the time there was no shot attempt at all? I need a beer.
- 3M

Nope. But that's okay. I get it. It honestly kind of sucks some of the joy out of picking the players you enjoy watching.

0.650815217 regular season
0.608695652 playoffs


Now Eller

0.352071006 regular season
0.6 playoffs (likely to go up).

I may have been too harsh on Plek, I still don't want to see Eller traded for a bag of pucks.
- J-P

I think eller is a dime a dozen player on this team. He could be replaced easily by younger/ cheaper guy. If you could package him with somebody else to upgrade our defense or top 6 forwards, I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Plek - 2nd line center
DD- 2nd line center
Eller - 3rd line center
DLR - 3/4 line center
Malhotra - reserve player

Pacthes - 1st line winger
Gally - 3rd line
Chucky - 2nd line ( 1st line projection )
Bournival - 4th line
Weise - 3rd line
Prust - 3rd line
PA - 2 nd
Sekac - 3rd
Thomas ( minor leaguer)

This group of forwards ain't cutting it.

0.650815217 regular season
0.608695652 playoffs


Now Eller

0.352071006 regular season
0.6 playoffs (likely to go up).

I may have been too harsh on Plek, I still don't want to see Eller traded for a bag of pucks.
- J-P

Plekanec has been one of the best players on the Habs for about 8 years. That's not a put down on 76, 67 and 31 but Pleks is an underrated player in an underrated role who is one of the best in the league at it.

Are you accusing or telling? Because why the (frank) would I want to regularly watch the Leafs?
- BINGO!

To watch them wallow in their own misery?

Plek - 2nd line center
DD- 2nd line center
Eller - 3rd line center
DLR - 3/4 line center
Malhotra - reserve player

Pacthes - 1st line winger
Gally - 3rd line
Chucky - 2nd line ( 1st line projection )
Bournival - 4th line
Weise - 3rd line
Prust - 3rd line
PA - 2 nd
Sekac - 3rd
Thomas ( minor leaguer)

This group of forwards ain't cutting it.
- WaterBoy

Exactly.

Don't forget the fact that they are first in the east..

Plekanec has been one of the best players on the Habs for about 8 years. That's not a put down on 76, 76 and 31 but Pleks is an underrated player in an underrated role who is one of the best in the league at it.
- CH1909-2009

0.650815217 regular season
0.608695652 playoffs


Now Eller

0.352071006 regular season
0.6 playoffs (likely to go up).

I may have been too harsh on Plek, I still don't want to see Eller traded for a bag of pucks.
- J-P

i wouldn't trade Eller at this point. if he does pick up his game again in the playoffs and proves to be a guy who just hits another level at that time of year, he's worth it. but it puts a real strain on the team when he's such an offensive black hole in the regular season. this team needs offence from guys other than Max, Glachenyuk and Plekanec.

0.650815217 regular season
0.608695652 playoffs


Now Eller

0.352071006 regular season
0.6 playoffs (likely to go up).

I may have been too harsh on Plek, I still don't want to see Eller traded for a bag of pucks.
- J-P

What makes you say this is likely to go up?

Plek - 2nd line center
DD- 2nd line center
Eller - 3rd line center
DLR - 3/4 line center
Malhotra - reserve player

Pacthes - 1st line winger
Gally - 3rd line
Chucky - 2nd line ( 1st line projection )
Bournival - 4th line
Weise - 3rd line
Prust - 3rd line
PA - 2 nd
Sekac - 3rd
Thomas ( minor leaguer)

This group of forwards ain't cutting it.
- WaterBoy

I think we know. Not really a solution short term either. Just thank God they have Price, Subban and Markov.

What makes you say this is likely to go up?
- TouenneTiiTree

His fingers

Exactly.

Don't forget the fact that they are first in the east..
- pete26

They are finding ways to win Pete.

But we shouldn't expect a quick fix by adding a top 4 D and a top 6 winger.