Bigger, physical teams have been giving this team fits for years. I think the Pens could handle the Habs too. I think Boston is getting a little long in the tooth.

But yeah, I don't like facing any team in the Metro. The records don't lie.
- madmike71

Hell, right now if I'm doing my math right ... Boston is the eighth seed only two points ahead of Florida. They aren't a given to get into the playoff at the moment. I could see massive changes in the offseason.

You know what this team needs.. more D.... bc more D means more scoring apparently.... dumbasses

F.

Telling everyone that their opinion is wrong is so informative and helpful. Try giving an idea of your own sometime.

Oh, and no one likes you. So I win.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I love watching people with no clue make fools out of themselves with ridiculous ideas that don't solve a problem. You are the gem of improving the third line with random players that don't solve the problem. So, how does Daniel Winnick or Sean Bergenheim help Pittsburgh win this game when we can't muster any goals? We can't score anything now, but you want to improve the third line? LOL. Yep ... we only have one goal against Holtby in the last nine periods. Good stuff. Instead, trade away decent assets for non factor rentals or aging that don't solve a problem

You don't win.

You know what this team needs.. more D.... bc more D means more scoring apparently.... dumbasses
- nh4442

It does suck that we have many OFD that are struggling to score or even get shots on net. Pouliot showing good signs though.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LN-b03Fn4b0

Still appropriate after all this time.

You know what this team needs.. more D.... bc more D means more scoring apparently.... dumbasses
- nh4442

at some point, if crosby and malkin cannot generate offense. that is on them.

i realize the third line blows. i realize the fourth line blows worse.

but, theyre both there. and while they dont have corey perry or jamie benn skating on their flanks, they have guys that are NHL quality guys. they have both done a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less.

im not saying theyre done. im not saying they need to be traded. i am saying however that they need to wake up, step up, and do more. especially on the powerplay.

It does suck that we have many OFD that are struggling to score or even get shots on net. Pouliot showing good signs though.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

if pouliot is showing a willingness to shoot from the point, and the ability to get it through onto the net, that is enough for him to be out there on the PP for me full time. i dont care at whose expense.

It does suck that we have many OFD that are struggling to score or even get shots on net. Pouliot showing good signs though.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

The need for another top 4 D is stupid even with ollie out.

They need 3rd and 4th line scoring wingers...hell get a top 6 and drop kuni or comeau down to help out

at some point, if crosby and malkin cannot generate offense. that is on them.

i realize the third line blows. i realize the fourth line blows worse.

but, theyre both there. and while they dont have corey perry or jamie benn skating on their flanks, they have guys that are NHL quality guys. they have both done a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less.

im not saying theyre done. im not saying they need to be traded. i am saying however that they need to wake up, step up, and do more. especially on the powerplay.
- stayinthefnnet

We are in the same situation as last year. Have said it a few times ... when 35% of your cap space is invested on three players, you will have shortcomings elsewhere. This happens to be our bottom six again. I think Downie is a competent third line player when he isn't doing dumb things.

Does this mean that even the DC Caps can unhinge Pittsburgh and win the hockey game while the Pens play up on two wheels? Sad times.

Maybe the Pens should carry an enforcer?

The need for another top 4 D is stupid even with ollie out.

They need 3rd and 4th line scoring wingers...hell get a top 6 and drop kuni or comeau down to help out
- nh4442

Our top two lines aren't scoring, but you feel the need to drop two of our top six forwards down to help a major shortcoming ... wouldn't that make our first and second lines even worse than they are? I don't get the need to fix the third line, which is terrible, especially when our top two lines aren't doing much of anything. That is the problem along with a power play that lacks any sort of power.

I love watching people with no clue make fools out of themselves with ridiculous ideas that don't solve a problem. You are the gem of improving the third line with random players that don't solve the problem. So, how does Daniel Winnick or Sean Bergenheim help Pittsburgh win this game when we can't muster any goals? We can't score anything now, but you want to improve the third line? LOL.

You don't win.
- Oneonta Penguin

Never said anything about trading for Winnik other than he would be an upgrade over Sill if he cost a late round pick. The three players I actually mentioned have a combined 30 goals this season. The players I'm trading have a combined 22. Plus the guys I'm targeting are bigger and better at board battles. This is all aimed at helping the scoring issues.

Secondary scoring is important. It helps you win games like tonight. Having capable bottom 6 players lessens the pressure and gives better matchups on the top lines. And yes, despite what you think, there is room for improvement on the bottom 6.

Want to fix the powerplay? fire Tocchet.

Again, since I have no idea, what is YOUR idea/solution? 4th time I've asked you to give a unique idea and yet, nothing.

We are in the same situation as last year. Have said it a few times ... when 35% of your cap space is invested on three players, you will have shortcomings elsewhere. This happens to be our bottom six again. I think Downie is a competent third line player when he isn't doing dumb things.
- Oneonta Penguin

i do believe they can win under this structure. i do. IF crosby and malkin play like they have at times. they simply just dont do it consistently enough.

the injuries suck. but i do think the pens right now have the players up and down the lineup.

downie and comeau are both extremely solid this year for what theyre being paid. perron and hornqvist are the best wingers this team has likely had since hossa.

that being said, this system only works when 87 and 71 play like the 9 million dollar guys they are being paid to be. when is the last time they went on a tear of taking over games?

We are in the same situation as last year. Have said it a few times ... when 35% of your cap space is invested on three players, you will have shortcomings elsewhere. This happens to be our bottom six again. I think Downie is a competent third line player when he isn't doing dumb things.
- Oneonta Penguin

You're just female doging, whats your solution? Trade Crosby? Malkin? Letang? Please do tell...

Never said anything about trading for Winnik other than he would be an upgrade over Sill if he cost a late round pick. The three players I actually mentioned have a combined 30 goals this season. The players I'm trading have a combined 22. Plus the guys I'm targeting are bigger and better at board battles. This is all aimed at helping the scoring issues.

Secondary scoring is important. It helps you win games like tonight. Having capable bottom 6 players lessens the pressure and gives better matchups on the top lines. And yes, despite what you think, there is room for improvement on the bottom 6.

Want to fix the powerplay? fire Tocchet.

Again, since I have no idea, what is YOUR idea/solution? 4th time I've asked you to give a unique idea and yet, nothing.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

secondary scoring is important. yes, a guy like winnik definitely would help the overall product.

if you can get him for a reasonable price (dont think they can, but if they could), then fine. its always worth it to try to improve the overall makeup of your organization, and a GM doing his do diligence should always try to do just that.

but the bottom line is, if crosby and malkin dont go back to their prior levels, adding 2 daniel winniks wont make the difference at the end of the day.

Our top two lines aren't scoring, but you feel the need to drop two of our top six forwards down to help a major shortcoming ... wouldn't that make our first and second lines even worse than they are? I don't get the need to fix the third line, which is terrible, especially when our top two lines aren't doing much of anything. That is the problem along with a power play that lacks any sort of power.
- Oneonta Penguin

The dude said we could get a top 6 winger and allow Kuni or Comeau to drop down to the third line. I don't necessarily agree but, as usual, you just cherry pick things you want people to say so you can prove everyone is dumb but you.

The dude said we could get a top 6 winger and allow Kuni or Comeau to drop down to the third line. I don't necessarily agree but, as usual, you just cherry pick things you want people to say so you can prove everyone is dumb but you.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't even bother with him amymore.

secondary scoring is important. yes, a guy like winnik definitely would help the overall product.

if you can get him for a reasonable price (dont think they can, but if they could), then fine. its always worth it to try to improve the overall makeup of your organization, and a GM doing his do diligence should always try to do just that.

but the bottom line is, if crosby and malkin dont go back to their prior levels, adding 2 daniel winniks wont make the difference at the end of the day.
- stayinthefnnet

Right I agree, but you have to try to change something. It's not a good strategy to just cross your fingers, keep everything status quo, and hope they go on a tear. Having a stronger bottom 6 may not be the difference maker, but there is no way it could hurt.

My god does the NHL suck. I don't even care about score hurt him.
-lloyd095

Hope downie jumps him bertuzzi style. Slash to Letang and charges Kunitz
-buckster2342

yeah lets hope players get injured now, stay classy, yeah gets jumped and has his neck broken

hit him hard fine, but to say that you want him intentionally injured is beyond pathetic and you might want to check yourself since it is their livelihood and their health

for a team that has had crosby out for a long time due to health reasons id figure you would be understanding and not wish injury on others, especially after many female doged about crosby getting concussions

its not hard to see why so many other teams fans are frustrated about pens fans when ignorant posts like those above are said

3rd line:
Sutter-No good
BB-not very good
Downie-Adequate

This line is not generating much on its own, neither is it capable of shutting down a top 6 line.

4th Line:
Adams-Sucks
Spaling-Overpaid, but adequate
Sill/Plug-Sucks

This line is good at giving the top 6 a quick breather.

Bottom line, with 87 and 71 there will be holes in the roster. A solid bottom 6 is just not reasonable with the spare change the Pens have left to throw at it. Maybe next year if Dupes retires and they let Martin and Ehroff walk they have some cash to free up, but then there are basically 3 rookies on the back end.

My god does the NHL suck. I don't even care about score hurt him.
-lloyd095

Hope downie jumps him bertuzzi style. Slash to Letang and charges Kunitz
-buckster2342

yeah lets hope players get injured now, stay classy, yeah gets jumped and has his neck broken

hit him hard fine, but to say that you want him intentionally injured is beyond pathetic and you might want to check yourself since it is their livelihood and their health

for a team that has had crosby out for a long time due to health reasons id figure you would be understanding and not wish injury on others, especially after many female doged about crosby getting concussions

its not hard to see why so many other teams fans are frustrated about pens fans when ignorant posts like those above are said
- dmarsden2988

Every single fanbase has idiots that say dumb poop like this. Nothing to see here.

i hope they get in as a wild card. maybe then they will feel slighted and actually put themselves into it full throttle. thats really the only chance they have to make any noise.
- stayinthefnnet

In 2010 we got done by a red hot Halak.

Fleury can get hot like that and cover a lot of holes this team currently has.

Ive not given up, there is a lot to like about this roster, but the holes do kinda stick out like dogs balls at the moment though.

Right I agree, but you have to try to change something. It's not a good strategy to just cross your fingers, keep everything status quo, and hope they go on a tear. Having a stronger bottom 6 may not be the difference maker, but there is no way it could hurt.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

well, i think it would hurt because winnik would require the second. and im not ready to do that.

but yes, i agree with your general sentiment. like i said, i think franchises should always look to improve the bottom line.

Never said anything about trading for Winnik other than he would be an upgrade over Sill if he cost a late round pick. The three players I actually mentioned have a combined 30 goals this season. The players I'm trading have a combined 22. Plus the guys I'm targeting are bigger and better at board battles. This is all aimed at helping the scoring issues.

Secondary scoring is important. It helps you win games like tonight. Having capable bottom 6 players lessens the pressure and gives better matchups on the top lines. And yes, despite what you think, there is room for improvement on the bottom 6.

Want to fix the powerplay? fire Tocchet.

Again, since I have no idea, what is YOUR idea/solution? 4th time I've asked you to give a unique idea and yet, nothing.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I have said numerous times we don't have the assets to do anything that I would envision being that good. I'm a short-term and long term guy. I don't like trading away good assets for rentals. That is the reason we stand where we are right now. We lack depth at forward because dumb deals were made. We have a second round pick, which is important to keep because we wouldn't have a selection in the top 110 or so of this year's draft. We have to find a way at rebuilding our prospects at forward and not have to rely on Megna or any other non factor player in Scranton. I don't believe in trading Pouliot or Harrington either because its is very possible that both very well could be in our top seven come October. This is what happens when 35% of the cap is invested in three players. You need cheap options. Martin or Ehrhoff is gone ... maybe both.

So, I would stand pat; not make a stupid trade (unloading a good asset or assets for another rental that doesn't solve a problem) and let it ride. If you can't get anything that helps LONGER TERM than two months, then look into trading Martin and whoever you plan on not bringing back - maybe Sutter; maybe Greis. Collect picks. This team isn't close to competing for a Cup.