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Funny ki n of like what some of us have been saying.. 3rd 4th line goal scorers are needed...if sid and geno get shut down the other 2 lines need to score... you get a top 6 player and you can slide kuni or comeau down to help the other lines
- nh4442

Get a third line center that can actually win a puck battle and maybe the 3rd line would be more productive.



Figured that horse needed another smack....

Get a third line center that can actually win a puck battle and maybe the 3rd line would be more productive.



Figured that horse needed another smack....
- madmike71

Smack that horse until the 4th line C is Sutter. He's so super brutal. Spaling is at least a decent all around player. Maybe his value is as a shut down, with assignment &c.

Smack that horse until the 4th line C is Sutter. He's so super brutal. Spaling is at least a decent all around player. Maybe his value is as a shut down, with assignment &c.
- Johnny Wrath

realistically, how would you address the 3rd line center situation?

im open to any suggestions. however, the realistic qualifier presumes that neither 87, 71, 58, or 29 are moved.

realistically, how would you address the 3rd line center situation?

im open to any suggestions. however, the realistic qualifier presumes that neither 87, 71, 58, or 29 are moved.
- stayinthefnnet

To me, you trade Sutter, move Spaling up...or you can find a sucker to take Sutter, and plug the return in there. You move Borts in deal, that will bring a 3rd line guy in, or you trade Doums 2/3 type guy. I think BB would be much better served playing with someone who has offensive upside. It wouldn't shock me if Kunitz was traded, but I am not openly hoping for it. A message needs to be sent to this team, if it takes trade Kunitz for it to happen, I am all for it then.

To me, you trade Sutter, move Spaling up...or you can find a sucker to take Sutter, and plug the return in there. You move Borts in deal, that will bring a 3rd line guy in, or you trade Doums 2/3 type guy. I think BB would be much better served playing with someone who has offensive upside. It wouldn't shock me if Kunitz was traded, but I am not openly hoping for it. A message needs to be sent to this team, if it takes trade Kunitz for it to happen, I am all for it then.
- Thorny

i was hoping for some specific names to be thrown out haha.

i honestly really dont see many of the type that would help that third line being realistically available, especially for what we would be able to ship the other way.

if we are looking to upgrade sutter, the other team is going to likely view it as a downgrade from player X to sutter. do we have enough that we can actually afford to part with that would make up the difference?

realistically, how would you address the 3rd line center situation?

im open to any suggestions. however, the realistic qualifier presumes that neither 87, 71, 58, or 29 are moved.
- stayinthefnnet

Not sure it can be fixed this year. Certainly should be addressed in the off-season. I'd give Spaling a look. He's not exactly a great improvement, but he does win his fair share of battles. If I remember correctly, Spaling had a good game or two at center.

i was hoping for some specific names to be thrown out haha.

i honestly really dont see many of the type that would help that third line being realistically available, especially for what we would be able to ship the other way.

if we are looking to upgrade sutter, the other team is going to likely view it as a downgrade from player X to sutter. do we have enough that we can actually afford to part with that would make up the difference?
- stayinthefnnet

Penguins had superior depth centers in Arcobello and Klinkhammer. Both are superior possession and production players. If I were GM, Sutter would have been sent in the trade for Perron.

EDIT: Spaling would still be a superior 3C to Sutter.

Penguins had superior depth centers in Arcobello and Klinkhammer. Both are superior possession and production players. If I were GM, Sutter would have been sent in the trade for Perron.

EDIT: Spaling would still be a superior 3C to Sutter.
- jfkst1

while i think superior is a bit strong to be used to describe those two, klink did impress me a good bit for a depth guy when he was here.

obviously not complaining if he had to be sacrificed in that deal, but i would definitely take him again in the bottom 6.

Penguins had superior depth centers in Arcobello and Klinkhammer. Both are superior possession and production players. If I were GM, Sutter would have been sent in the trade for Perron.

EDIT: Spaling would still be a superior 3C to Sutter.
- jfkst1

Arcobello was way better than sutter. Arcobello was faster and busted his ass every shift. Sutter should have been shipped out before arcobello was put on waivers. Downie-arcobello-bennett would have been a decent 3rd line. Not the best but they can handle their own

Arcobello was way better than sutter. Arcobello was faster and busted his ass every shift. Sutter should have been shipped out before arcobello was put on waivers. Downie-arcobello-bennett would have been a decent 3rd line. Not the best but they can handle their own
- drummer829

Pittsburgh doesn't need a great player. They just need someone who doesn't lose the vast majority of puck battles. Sutter looks like a giraffe out there. I'm so tired of seeing him crumble and give up the puck anytime someone leans on him.

Not sure it can be fixed this year. Certainly should be addressed in the off-season. I'd give Spaling a look. He's not exactly a great improvement, but he does win his fair share of battles. If I remember correctly, Spaling had a good game or two at center.
- madmike71

I'm hoping Sundqvist will be the answer next year.

it be (frank)ing super if they called the initial infraction for a change. just saying.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree with this completely. Not say I agree because I'm a Pens fan but in general the refs tend to let the infraction happen 3, 4 or 5 times and then when someone retaliates the player who retaliates gets called all the time. Now the Pens players tend to retaliate more it seems than others but it's has to get frustrating when it seems like opposing teams players can do whatever they want and not get called. The stats back it up because it's astonishing how you can have two of the best players in the league and the Pens are about to set the team record for least PP's for a season.

Arcobello was a zero. Spinning wheels thinking he could play on a 3rd line

#Oilers Jeff Petry (ribs) and Anton Lander (shoulder) will not return to tonight's game. #BOSvsEDM

Get em while he's hurt and his value is down lol

realistically, how would you address the 3rd line center situation?

im open to any suggestions. however, the realistic qualifier presumes that neither 87, 71, 58, or 29 are moved.
- stayinthefnnet

Third line is now centered by Spaling. Wings are Eager and Bennett. Their only job is to stay onside. If they can get a shot on net and get an offensive zone face off for the top lines, great.

Bs and Oil are in like round nine hundred of the shoot out.

the Pens PP will have to be lethal. there really is no other way. not only for the deterrent factor to potentially cut down on some of the even strength liberties against them, but really, the pens as currently constructed aren't going to be a dominant even strength squad. even when they are on as a team, they simply wont put long enough stretches of dominance together without the odd miscue being put in the back of their own end from time to time.

if they go through an 0 for 19 type drought, that will likely be the series.
- stayinthefnnet

I have a question. Early on the PP was what 35/40%? Then boom gone, completely changed tact & very standard. If the Pens can get that early PP form back by returning to the shoot first ask questions later, will that help in the playoffs? How quickly could the opposition adjust their PK or could they even in time to save the series?

What if this is the big picture or master plan by a genius? Play early & test the PP, get it right then shut it down, turn it off so oppositions don't get the ability to scout it & play against it until playoffs come knocking on the door. Then dust it off, sharpen the edges & get it going again - genius?

Is that possible?

To me, you trade Sutter, move Spaling up...or you can find a sucker to take Sutter, and plug the return in there. You move Borts in deal, that will bring a 3rd line guy in, or you trade Doums 2/3 type guy. I think BB would be much better served playing with someone who has offensive upside. It wouldn't shock me if Kunitz was traded, but I am not openly hoping for it. A message needs to be sent to this team, if it takes trade Kunitz for it to happen, I am all for it then.
- Thorny

I'd wait & see what TOI Sutter continues to get. He's been playing around 18 before the Caps which dropped to 16. In return for that Sid & Geno TOI increased a little.

Sutter has proven he cannot sustain high minutes which is what he has played to relieve ice time for Sid & Geno - something HCMJ said he wanted to do before the season started. Once Sutter gets back to 12-14 minutes then his play may pick back up to an acceptable standard for the fans.

When Sid & Geno start playing 21-24 minutes a game again then the rest may fall into place - hopefully.

I doubt you would find a better player than Kunitz for value & production. Team stability is required to be successful. Take an important piece out & that stability may lose a supporting leg & fall flat on its face.

Penguins had superior depth centers in Arcobello and Klinkhammer. Both are superior possession and production players. If I were GM, Sutter would have been sent in the trade for Perron.

EDIT: Spaling would still be a superior 3C to Sutter.
- jfkst1

I hope the plan is to get the Colonel back next season - what time is it?







Edit: Hammer time.

Maybe we should trade for that Goc guy. He seems really good on PK blocking shots and winning faceoffs, especially in the defensive zone.
- chimpira

Remember how that annoying Blue's fan came in here and was like thanks for Goc he already has a point? Well.. he's only got 1 in 11 games