Yeah, that was just a more general comment. I always wonder how good Holland would be with our scouts and how our GM's would have done if they had the DET scouts...
- Nucker101

How could anyone ever go wrong with Ron Delorme

Yup excellent drafting with no top picks, that's what we need. Well I guess LA picked Doughboy second overall but that's it I think?
- LeftCoaster

Schenn was 5th which was traded for Richards I think?

Blue Jackets have had lots of top 5 and 10 picks, but have done better in the later rounds.

Anh looks like recently their prospects will be good but time will tell, they didn't draft all that well outside of Perry/Getzlaf. Lots of mid tier guys.

St. Louis has drafted well for years but have also had lots of 1st's 2 in 06, 3 in 07, 2 in 2010.

I really hope this team can make like the blues and get solid players out of our recent extra first rounders.....still the blues did have a #1 and #4 where they took dman both times.

We were talking about drafting not trading and UFA's
- LeftCoaster

Drafting is the key to any successful organization. Signings and trades not near as much.

Yeah, that was just a more general comment. I always wonder how good Holland would be with our scouts and how our GM's would have done if they had the DET scouts...
- Nucker101

The GM is head of the scouting department, they work for him, everyone does, so he should get some of the credit.

St. Louis , Anaheim, LA , CBJ are teams that draft the way I would like to see us go.
- VANTEL

I say Chicago and Detroit. Those teams have a better track record.
But as long as we win I could care less how we do it

Drafting is the key to any successful organization. Signings and trades not near as much.
- thundachunk

Agreed, though I'd say trades are pretty important(look at LA and CHI). UFA signings should be moves to add depth and put your team into contender status or "over the top", not relied on to keep your team afloat.

Doesn't every non playoff team have a shot at mcdavid.
- Bieksa#3

Yes, but the chances of actually winning the lottery drop exponentially after the Sabres and Oilers.

How could anyone ever go wrong with Ron Delorme
- VANTEL

Eric Crawford has been cheif for 3 yrs

Drafting is the key to any successful organization. Signings and trades not near as much.
- thundachunk

Trades and UFA's come after you draft a core.

Yes, but the chances of actually winning the lottery drop exponentially after the Sabres and Oilers.
- PetrolSexual

They said that since 1994 in the NBA the last place team has only drafted 1st 5 times

Trades and UFA's come after you draft a core.
- LeftCoaster

Yep

I say Chicago and Detroit. Those teams have a better track record.
But as long as we win I could care less how we do it
- Bieksa#3

Detroit just flat out has good scouts. I like what teams like Tampa and Winnipeg are doing, it's basically the simpler version of "Moneyball", drafting guys who are producing in their junior leagues and developing they're all around game after. Instead of drafting "role" players and "grinders" and hoping they become skilled enough to develop into depth NHL players.

Detroit just flat out has good scouts. I like what teams like Tampa and Winnipeg are doing, it's basically the simpler version of "Moneyball", drafting guys who are producing in their junior leagues and developing they're all around game after. Instead of drafting "role" players and "grinders" and hoping they become skilled enough to develop into depth NHL players.
- Nucker101

Let's wait till a few jets players succeed at this level before we praise them. Tampa's drafting

The GM is head of the scouting department, they work for him, everyone does, so he should get some of the credit.
- LeftCoaster

I guess...I just feel like their biggest and more crucial asset as an organization is their scouts, not their GM. I'd take a GM who's been "meh" in the past with their scouts over Holland with our scouts or some other team with not-so great drafting in a heartbeat.

Eric Crawford has been cheif for 3 yrs
- Bieksa#3

Yup - people need to get over the Delorme thing. Yes he sucks and yes he still works for the Canucks but he's not in charge.

Let's wait till a few jets players succeed at this level before we praise them. Tampa's drafting
- Bieksa#3

I guess, but if we had their group of prospects we'd be.....

Agreed, though I'd say trades are pretty important(look at LA and CHI). UFA signings should be moves to add depth and put your team into contender status or "over the top", not relied on to keep your team afloat.
- Nucker101

I would even argue that Bos had as much success with trades and signings as they did with drafting.

Yup - people need to get over the Delorme thing. Yes he sucks and yes he still works for the Canucks but he's not in charge.
- LeftCoaster

Isn't he still head of WHL scouting? He'll still have a say, hopefully Benning is well aware of his past though. Hopefully Benning's boy, Jon Weisbrod is decent.

I do like Crawford, I hope he still has a big influence in drafting decisions.

They said that since 1994 in the NBA the last place team has only drafted 1st 5 times
- Bieksa#3

Sorry, I pay little attention to the NBA. How many have won it from the teen seeding; where we are likely to be sitting?

I would even argue that Bos had as much success with trades and signings as they did with drafting.
- belcherbd

For sure.

I guess...I just feel like their biggest and more crucial asset as an organization is their scouts, not their GM. I'd take a GM who's been "meh" in the past with their scouts over Holland with our scouts or some other team with not-so great drafting in a heartbeat.
- Nucker101

I think stability has a lot to do with it, management and scouting staff alike, they've got a formula they use and have for many years.

Don't forget Holland was director of amateur scouting in Detroit for seven years, then three years as assistant GM before becoming full time GM in 1997. That's 18 years as their GM, how many GM's have the Canucks had since then - 5, 6, 7??

Isn't he still head of WHL scouting? He'll still have a say, hopefully Benning is well aware of his past though. Hopefully Benning's boy, Jon Weisbrod is decent.

I do like Crawford, I hope he still has a big influence in drafting decisions.
- Nucker101

Yes he's their WHL scout now, that said, Benning has been out scouting Seattle himself, says a lot about how much he trusts Delorme.

I think stability has a lot to do with it, management and scouting staff alike, they've got a formula they use and have for many years.

Don't forget Holland was director of amateur scouting in Detroit for seven years, then three years as assistant GM before becoming full time GM in 1997. That's 18 years as their GM, how many GM's have the Canucks had since then - 5, 6, 7??
- LeftCoaster

I'm not saying he's a bad GM, just saying that scouts are probably just as important, especially in the salary cap era. And yeah, stability is huge for sure. The players there know that the coach and GM have a long leash so if they don't play well, there's a much better chance that the player gets moved or demoted before anything happens to the GM or coach so they pretty much have to buy-in or they won't last there long. Also, the GM has a better read on his own scouts after so many years and knows who to trust more than others.

Sorry, I pay little attention to the NBA. How many have won it from the teen seeding; where we are likely to be sitting?
- PetrolSexual

A few.
The Spurs won in 1997 with the lowest possible odds(I believe) and selected Tim Duncan

I think stability has a lot to do with it, management and scouting staff alike, they've got a formula they use and have for many years.

Don't forget Holland was director of amateur scouting in Detroit for seven years, then three years as assistant GM before becoming full time GM in 1997. That's 18 years as their GM, how many GM's have the Canucks had since then - 5, 6, 7??
- LeftCoaster

Canucks ownership past and present have made the mistake of moving GM's too soon. Not including the most recent firing.