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Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 7:48 PM ET
Hindsight is everything, had Gillis/Nonis hung on to more picks and not made any moves for cup runs they would of been vilified for being too passive and not attempting to improve the club when they had a window.
Nonis mad a great trade in acquiring Luongo for only Bertuzzi, Allen and Auld.

Gillis made some good trades in acquiring Ehrhoff, Higgins, Lappiere and didn't give up anything for Booth even though he was a disappointment, both Samuellson and

The Ballard trade looked good at the time but didn't work out. Pahlsson was a bust but only cost 2 4ths and an ECHLer. Hodgson trade was a wash, although I hated it at the time.
The Roy trade didn't work at all. The Schneider trade was underwhelming and the Luongo trade was brutal.

We will see how Benning does, but he doesn't have the same pressure to win now as the previous two had. I like how Benning operates but time will tell if he can make enough successful moves to be considered better.

- belcherbd

Fine but no nuts traded a pile of picks and made the playoffs once in his 4 yrs.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 7:51 PM ET
Yup - people need to get over the Delorme thing. Yes he sucks and yes he still works for the Canucks but he's not in charge.
- LeftCoaster

Then maybe Canucks . Com should remove his title of Chief Scout and change Crawfords from Director of Player Personel
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 7:53 PM ET
Then maybe Canucks . Com should remove his title of Chief Scout and change Crawfords from Director of Player Personel
- VANTEL

I think the change occurred about 3 yrs ago
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 7:54 PM ET
In 2003 the 17th pick was Jach Parise.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Is that Zacks lesser known perverted brother?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 7:55 PM ET
I think the change occurred about 3 yrs ago
- Bieksa#3

Maybe then they should hire someone to update the site? No?
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Feb 16 @ 7:55 PM ET
He added some good pieces(Demitra/Sundin/Samuelsson/Torres/Higgins/Hamhuis/Ehrhoff/Malhotra). You have to give him credit for those moves if you're gonna rip him for all of his bad ones. He also made changes the scouting group, making Crawford the chief scout and such.

The Booth and Ballard moves as well as the goalie drama was his biggest downfall. Also failing to recognize the team was starting to decline after the SCF and the core needed a shakeup.

Horvat is looking pretty good now though...

- Nucker101

Oh totally I will give credit where credit is due. I was also one of the few who said to give him a chance his last season because of those things. That said his drafting and ridiculous fast decline also his lack of respect from his peers and players speaks volumes.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 7:58 PM ET
Oh totally I will give credit where credit is due. I was also one of the few who said to give him a chance his last season because of those things. That said his drafting and ridiculous fast decline also his lack of respect from his peers and players speaks volumes.
- thundachunk

Is it fair to criticize his drafting as a complete bust just yet? Guy had low picks due to his teams success and the majority of his picks aren't at an age where most would be NhL ready
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 16 @ 7:59 PM ET
Rasist
- Bieksa#3

you want to start a flame war on here??
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 7:59 PM ET
Maybe then they should hire someone to update the site? No?
- VANTEL

With the attendance numbers we can't afford somebody to run the website
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 8:00 PM ET
you want to start a flame war on here??
- kaptaan

Sure, why not
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 16 @ 8:03 PM ET
Sure, why not
- Bieksa#3

FIGHT!!!!
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 16 @ 8:03 PM ET
Whatever anyone wants to call it...

No rentals unless it is part of a bigger deal that brings us some combination of youth/picks/potential.

The Clendening trade approach is interesting, trading one prospect for another that is a little older and further along in their development.

Patience is so boring, but necessary.

- hillbillydeluxe

I can agree with that approach.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Feb 16 @ 8:05 PM ET
Sure, why not
- Bieksa#3

i've got better things to do... and marwood - go frank yourself.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 8:07 PM ET
FIGHT!!!!
- Marwood

One if these holidays your gonna have a talk with your boy
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Feb 16 @ 8:19 PM ET
Is that Zacks lesser known perverted brother?
- VANTEL

It's Zach
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 16 @ 8:20 PM ET
He added some good pieces(Demitra/Sundin/Samuelsson/Torres/Higgins/Hamhuis/Ehrhoff/Malhotra). You have to give him credit for those moves if you're gonna rip him for all of his bad ones. He also made changes the scouting group, making Crawford the chief scout and such.

The Booth and Ballard moves as well as the goalie drama was his biggest downfall. Also failing to recognize the team was starting to decline after the SCF and the core needed a shakeup.

Horvat is looking pretty good now though...

- Nucker101


I consider Gillis a better GM than Nonis. Which is sad because Nonis has been in an assistant GM or GM role for a long time.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 16 @ 8:27 PM ET
Hindsight is everything, had Gillis/Nonis hung on to more picks and not made any moves for cup runs they would of been vilified for being too passive and not attempting to improve the club when they had a window.
Nonis mad a great trade in acquiring Luongo for only Bertuzzi, Allen and Auld.
Gillis made some good trades in acquiring Ehrhoff, Higgins, Lappiere and didn't give up anything for Booth even though he was a disappointment, both Samuellson and Sturm were done.

The Ballard trade looked good at the time but didn't work out. Pahlsson was a bust but only cost 2 4ths and an ECHLer. Hodgson trade was a wash, although I hated it at the time.
The Roy trade didn't work at all. The Schneider trade was underwhelming and the Luongo trade was brutal.

We will see how Benning does, but he doesn't have the same pressure to win now as the previous two had. I like how Benning operates but time will tell if he can make enough successful moves to be considered better.

- belcherbd


Wait, wait, wait.

Nonis had nothing to do with Luongo becoming a canuck. Keenan approached Nonis about aquiring Bertuzzi and offered Luongo. Nonis put together the most logical package in Bert, a d-man, and a goalie. No brainer.

Very much like Gillis' acquisition of Ehrhoff. Nothing to do with Gillis.

Name onother good Nonis trade/move other than Lu? It's not easy.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 8:31 PM ET
With the attendance numbers we can't afford somebody to run the website
- Bieksa#3

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 16 @ 8:33 PM ET
It's Zach
- A_SteamingLombardi

There' s three of them
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 16 @ 8:37 PM ET
R E T O O L
- kaptaan


TOOL
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 8:37 PM ET
There' s three of them
- VANTEL

Triplets
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 16 @ 8:37 PM ET
TOOL
- boonerbuck

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Feb 16 @ 8:43 PM ET
There' s three of them
- VANTEL

Jordon
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Feb 16 @ 8:43 PM ET
TOOL
- boonerbuck

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Feb 16 @ 8:44 PM ET
Ohhh Gillis, he waits till his last year to finally have a decent draft.
- classic321


It's no surprise, he had less and less to do with decision making at the end like people keep saying... so once his hands were tied... more and more things started looking up for this team.
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