Taking bennett away from sutter means bennett would have to be in the top 6. Comeau has just been clutch with malkin and he reminds me of dupuis with sid.
Perron-sid-kuni
Horn-malkin-comeau

Do you really want to swap Bennett with one of them?

Don't even know why i read this crap anymore.. Comparing a guy with 65 points to a guy who is -28 last 3 seasons??? Yea hows that HERO crap working out for you. Obviously JR knows a little more if he's keeping sutter on board. 33 points from a guy making 3.3 million. Ill take it over a guy making 3 million sitting in the box or on the bench all game.. Every player he compared Sutter to plays 10 minutes a game. But damn, Pens win 2 in a row and here we are blaming Sutter for Bennett stinking up the joint. NEWS FLASH*** He played with Malkin and Crosby also and didn't do anything. Where is the, "they should trade Malkin or Crosby for Bennett non-success"?

Taking bennett away from sutter means bennett would have to be in the top 6. Comeau has just been clutch with malkin and he reminds me of dupuis with sid.
Perron-sid-kuni
Horn-malkin-comeau

Do you really want to swap Bennett with one of them?
- drummer829

No, you can't and I don't think that is what RW was trying to say. Taking Sutter away from bennet means taking sutter away from the Penguins

Turning hockey into math is awesome and great for the game.

This upcoming trade deadline doesn't feel right without Hemsky to Pittsburgh rumors

Am I the only one here who thought this was going to be RW's love letter to Corsi and Fenwick Close?

Ok, now seriously, Im old enough that I grew up while Mario was at the height of his dominance. I will never forget what he was capable of, especially in that 88-89 season. Just beyond words. As great as Sid and Geno are, 66 was just on a whole different level.

ok so Mario is the best player ever. He did things Gretzky couldn't have especially if you took the guys Gretzky had off his team, like Lemieux in his first 4-5 years. However the thing that separates them to me is the fact that if both came up today Lemieux would surely have the size and finesse to lead the league in both goals and assists. I still think Gretzky would put up numbers but more like 25-35g and like 65-80 assists. lastly they both played against some horrible goalies as did every one else then and before them. So all those 150 plus point years is a little unimaginable in this day and age.

Le Magnifique !!!

one of my favorite things was when Gary Thorne(one of the best commentators ever) broke out:

Jaromir = Mario Jr ..

while two different players thats pretty cool. Imagine when its all said and done the pens had and have 4 of the best offensive players of all time. Man we are lucky.

Lemieux stat

After his return for cancer treatment Mario went on to score 56pts in those final 20 games......that would put him 6th in the league right now while only playing a 1/3 many games

Don't even know why i read this crap anymore.. Comparing a guy with 65 points to a guy who is -28 last 3 seasons??? Yea hows that HERO crap working out for you. Obviously JR knows a little more if he's keeping sutter on board. 33 points from a guy making 3.3 million. Ill take it over a guy making 3 million sitting in the box or on the bench all game.. Every player he compared Sutter to plays 10 minutes a game. But damn, Pens win 2 in a row and here we are blaming Sutter for Bennett stinking up the joint. NEWS FLASH*** He played with Malkin and Crosby also and didn't do anything. Where is the, "they should trade Malkin or Crosby for Bennett non-success"?
- 87Pens87

Your stupidity is actually painful to read good job. You prove you didn't even attempt to understand the very thing you're female doging about only three sentences in. There's no problem in having your own opinion about the blog or stats, but you can't even get your facts straight. Beau has only played with Geno this season, and he looked his best then pre-injury when he was, you know, on his natural wing. Despite the fact that he doesn't mind playing LW he obviously has more comfort on the right side; and even then his time with Geno was slim.

You then attempt to make excuses for the softest 3C to ever play the game, who has been all but invisible for a ridiculous stretch of time now but won't acknowledge Beau's work on two goals?

Neither one has been anything to brag about this season, but Sutter is being paid way more, playing like trash, and isn't being held accountable like BB has just because of his name. BB can create a little own his own, but If Sutter is going to play soff like Craig Adams theres no chance of Bennett suddenly playing like an 8 mil center who can carry a line by himself.

People who would rather hate on a young and cheap Bennett, and ship him out of town for nothing, need to get a (frank)ing clue and give him and the coaching staff time to work on his game. You know like that guy Despres and his situation that had everyone in an uproar last season, or maybe even that team called Detroit who develops their guys better than any other team.

Lemieux stat #66

Missed 24 games during the 1992-1993 for cancer treatment and still won the scoring title by 12pts....24 Fn' GAMES !!!!!
- willi

That is still the most amazing thing I've ever witnessed. Check out these numbers:

When Lemieux came back from cancer, Pat LaFontaine had 42G - 72A - 116PTS

Lemieux had 39G - 65A - 104PTS.... 12 points back.

In 20 games, Lemieux put up 56 points... During a 15 game stretch, he scored 50 points (27G - 23A)... in FIFTEEN GAMES!!!

To put that into comparison with today's game... Steven Stamkos, one of the best players in the league currently has 51 points (29G - 22A), and he's played 57 games!

It only took Lemieux 12 games to catch and pass LaFontaine (who was leading by 12 points), and ended the season 12 points ahead of him.

Your stupidity is actually painful to read good job. You prove you didn't even attempt to understand the very thing you're female doging about only three sentences in. There's no problem in having your own opinion about the blog or stats, but you can't even get your facts straight. Beau has only played with Geno this season, and he looked his best then pre-injury when he was, you know, on his natural wing. Despite the fact that he doesn't mind playing LW he obviously has more comfort on the right side; and even then his time with Geno was slim.

You then attempt to make excuses for the softest 3C to ever play the game, who has been all but invisible for a ridiculous stretch of time now but won't acknowledge Beau's work on two goals?

Neither one has been anything to brag about this season, but Sutter is being paid way more, playing like trash, and isn't being held accountable like BB has just because of his name. BB can create a little own his own, but If Sutter is going to play soff like Craig Adams theres no chance of Bennett suddenly playing like an 8 mil center who can carry a line by himself.

People who would rather hate on a young and cheap Bennett, and ship him out of town for nothing, need to get a (frank)ing clue and give him and the coaching staff time to work on his game. You know like that guy Despres and his situation that had everyone in an uproar last season, or maybe even that team called Detroit who develops their guys better than any other team.
- ImScore71

I agree none of them have been noticeable.. and i agree he is making more than Bennett. But my post is about the last 3 seasons. Not just this season. Bennett HAS played with both 71 and 87. (FACT! So don't say i don't have my facts straight.) And still hasn't shown what everyone keeps saying he has. Im not hating on BB, I like the guy. I just don't think he is a Top 6F right now. But could be in a couple of years. And i defend Sutter bc most hates on him when he is here for Defense. 35 points out of him is a bonus.. I never pick apart a team that is about to win a division or possibly the Eastern Conference. If it isn't broke, why try and fix it? All the injuries they have had this year and still on top. Id say the depth is pretty good.

And again, my opinion. Its fine to jump on me and all bc I'm sure people have strong opinions, me included, about everyone else's opinion. but don't call people stupid when you yourself ONLY have an opinion. I try to break out stats bc those are the only facts we have. opinions are only what they are, Opinions.

AGREED. GET BEAU OUT OF PITTSBURGH
- jeremy087

Fixed. Hes the only forward prospect we have had from our minors that has any hope of being something since... I cant even remember.

That is still the most amazing thing I've ever witnessed. Check out these numbers:

When Lemieux came back from cancer, Pat LaFontaine had 42G - 72A - 116PTS

Lemieux had 39G - 65A - 104PTS.... 12 points back.

In 20 games, Lemieux put up 56 points... During a 15 game stretch, he scored 50 points (27G - 23A)... in FIFTEEN GAMES!!!



To put that into comparison with today's game... Steven Stamkos, one of the best players in the league currently has 51 points (29G - 22A), and he's played 57 games!

It only took Lemieux 12 games to catch and pass LaFontaine (who was leading by 12 points), and ended the season 12 points ahead of him.
- rival22

At that was AFTER going through radiation treatment

Bennett hasn't looked the same since coming back from his last injury. I don't know if hasn't regained full strength in the knee or if it's just a mental thing but something is definitely off
- willi

Based on that article someone posted last week, its definitely mental. But I also think our coaching staff is trying to make him something he isn't. Just because they want him to play on the 3rd line doesn't mean they can turn him into a 3rd line forechecking, board play kind of player.

So two games in, beau has been net front for two goals and generated multiple chances. He is never going to be a power forward, but that doesn't mean his play is ineffective. Two games, two goals while on the ice.
I actually prefer him and Spaling together than he and Sutter. I'm over Sutter, Beau is just beginning to show how good he can be.
- usethe1-2-2

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Taking bennett away from sutter means bennett would have to be in the top 6. Comeau has just been clutch with malkin and he reminds me of dupuis with sid.
Perron-sid-kuni
Horn-malkin-comeau

Do you really want to swap Bennett with one of them?
- drummer829

If Malkin and Comeau didn't seem to have obvious chemistry, I would say yes. Unfortunately for Beau, his constant injuries and of as recent lackluster play has ended him up on that 3rd line.

I think if it was BB - Spaling - Downie, youd see a much better 3rd line than you have with Sutter centering it. Spaling and Downie give you two crashers with ability which BB can thrive with. Him and Sutter on the same line gives you two guys who are just too small and not good in the corners unfortunately.

I agree none of them have been noticeable.. and i agree he is making more than Bennett. But my post is about the last 3 seasons. Not just this season. Bennett HAS played with both 71 and 87. (FACT! So don't say i don't have my facts straight.) And still hasn't shown what everyone keeps saying he has. Im not hating on BB, I like the guy. I just don't think he is a Top 6F right now. But could be in a couple of years. And i defend Sutter bc most hates on him when he is here for Defense. 35 points out of him is a bonus.. I never pick apart a team that is about to win a division or possibly the Eastern Conference. If it isn't broke, why try and fix it? All the injuries they have had this year and still on top. Id say the depth is pretty good.

And again, my opinion. Its fine to jump on me and all bc I'm sure people have strong opinions, me included, about everyone else's opinion. but don't call people stupid when you yourself ONLY have an opinion. I try to break out stats bc those are the only facts we have. opinions are only what they are, Opinions.
- 87Pens87

Saying Sutter is here for his defense is a bit misleading. Sure he's good on the PK but 5 on 5 he isn't a shut down center. I cringe everytime he's on the ice against one of the other teams top lines because you know that shift will be spent in Pitts end....on the PK it's about reading and reacting and getting your body/stick into lanes where 5 on 5 it's about battling along the boards

Don't even know why i read this crap anymore.. Comparing a guy with 65 points to a guy who is -28 last 3 seasons??? Yea hows that HERO crap working out for you. Obviously JR knows a little more if he's keeping sutter on board. 33 points from a guy making 3.3 million. Ill take it over a guy making 3 million sitting in the box or on the bench all game.. Every player he compared Sutter to plays 10 minutes a game. But damn, Pens win 2 in a row and here we are blaming Sutter for Bennett stinking up the joint. NEWS FLASH*** He played with Malkin and Crosby also and didn't do anything. Where is the, "they should trade Malkin or Crosby for Bennett non-success"?
- 87Pens87

Seriously? If +/- is your gauge for player success, you need to evaluate how you see the game.

And i defend Sutter bc most hates on him when he is here for Defense. 35 points out of him is a bonus.
- 87Pens87

1. Sutter is one of the league's worst 3Cs at defense as proven by his atrocious possession stats. It's not an opinion. It's a fact.

2. Being capable at centering the PK is NOT worth $3.3 million/year. Maybe $1.3 m/yr.

3. Sutter's pts./60 is average for a 4th line center in the NHL. So he is bad offensively and defensively for his salary and role.

This upcoming trade deadline doesn't feel right without Hemsky to Pittsburgh rumors
- willi

Is Shero back in command? All these rumors about adding D..
Are they getting rid of martin and ehrhoff and scuds or something?

Letang
Martin
Ehrhoff (ir)
Maatta (ir)
Despres
Pouliot
Bortuzzo
Scuderi
Harrington
Dumoulin

There's 10 nhl defenseman, 2 on ir but one slated to be back soon

Is Shero back in command? All these rumors about adding D..
Are they getting rid of martin and ehrhoff and scuds or something?

Letang
Martin
Ehrhoff (ir)
Maatta (ir)
Despres
Pouliot
Bortuzzo
Scuderi
Harrington
Dumoulin

There's 10 nhl defenseman, 2 on ir but one slated to be back soon
- nh4442

I really think the Dmen trade is bad media speculation. Ehrhoff completely negates teh need for that, unless hes NOT returning, which is beyond unlikely.

Is Shero back in command? All these rumors about adding D..
Are they getting rid of martin and ehrhoff and scuds or something?

Letang
Martin
Ehrhoff (ir)
Maatta (ir)
Despres
Pouliot
Bortuzzo
Scuderi
Harrington
Dumoulin

There's 10 nhl defenseman, 2 on ir but one slated to be back soon
- nh4442

I can see 1 (maybe 2) of the young D getting moved to bring in a forward and a veteran D. I don't mind the idea of bringing in a veteran D (Franson?) only if we have a chance to resign him at a decent price. It sounds like Martin and Erhoff may want to much especially considering their age (in martins case anyway)...if only they could find a new home for Scuderi next year

Turning hockey into math is awesome and great for the game.
- Grinder47

By far my favorite poster on this board!

Seriously though. There is no spot for BB in the top 6, he doesn't play well in the bottom 6, if he can fetch a return by all means move on from him. Sutter needs to be replaced. No need for more Dmen, just better bottom 6.

I can see 1 (maybe 2) of the young D getting moved to bring in a forward and a veteran D. I don't mind the idea of bringing in a veteran D (Franson?) only if we have a chance to resign him at a decent price. It sounds like Martin and Erhoff may want to much especially considering their age (in martins case anyway)...if only they could find a new home for Scuderi next year
- willi

just give ehrhoff the contract martin has now for 4 years. I would also like to see scuderi moved and MAYBE if the pens can make a deep run in the playoffs, scuderi's value may rise a bit and some team would take him.