The thing about Kassian is that I don't want him to sniff our top 6, but would he be happy being a fourth liner? Isn't the fact that he's had trouble cracking Vancouver's top 6 part of the reason why he's so unhappy there? He still has potential, but we're not gonna get anything out of him if he's pouting the whole time and then he just becomes almost 2 mil of wasted cap.

Also, to get him I'd assume we'd part ways with Sutter? I'm done with Sutter as much as the next guy, but can Spaling or Arcobello do much better? A bottom six of

Comeau-Arcobello-Downie
Spaling-Lapierre-Kassian

does not look great to me. Actually, same thing goes for Winnik. How much do we trust that Arco, Spaling or Winnik can take over 3C and be even as productive as Sutter? Lapierre is out of the question, I'd say. We really should not have traded Goc....
- Victoro311

Can someone just explain why they don't think Lapierre can replace Goc points? I saw the Blues blog when they traded & the points were pretty much the same, the face offs were within 1% & how the Blues described - was a much of a muchness trade only Goc has a little more finesse & Lapierre has done terrible terrible things in his career. So points wise, why do people complain?

Would not give Sutter up for him. Berg is a fa this year.
- joescullz

Probably I wouldn't as well but I'm taking my chances on Sutter hoping he can get better soon. He was a good playoff performer last year. Beau worries me though. I don't know what to say.

Can someone just explain why they don't think Lapierre can replace Goc points? I saw the Blues blog when they traded & the points were pretty much the same, the face offs were within 1% & how the Blues described - was a much of a muchness trade only Goc has a little more finesse & Lapierre has done terrible terrible things in his career. So points wise, why do people complain?
- Aussiepenguin

My aussie friend. 4:50 AM here in Brazil and I'm awake.

We've hit a rough patch. Lapierre came in in the wrong time I gues. He hasn't done much to be honest and doesn't look particularly good defensively. IMO Goc does a better job on D. I'm willing to give Lapierre time to adjust but as far as hockey IQ and skills go I think Goc is ahead of #40. Light a fire under Lappy's ass and he might remember what his game is all about.

Question for everyone:

I no longer have Center Ice. Are Penguins radio broadcasts streamed online?

I used to listen to games while I did some commercial fly tying. No longer a commercial tier but I would certainly like to listen to the games while tying for myself.
- Tiogadog

I listen to Mike Lange on the NHL app or web site. There is a little delay on the iPhone (about 30-60 sec), but good on a laptop.

Also tune in radio doesn't always have the games I've found so I just use the NHL app or website.

As crappy as the Pens have been playing it should be noted that nobody in the division is getting much traction. Seems like everyone has been inconsistent lately. Isle lose again tonight.

With Geno back it would be nice to string 3 or 4 wins together.
- madmike71

not so mad mike!

My aussie friend. 4:50 AM here in Brazil and I'm awake.

We've hit a rough patch. Lapierre came in in the wrong time I gues. He hasn't done much to be honest and doesn't look particularly good defensively. IMO Goc does a better job on D. I'm willing to give Lapierre time to adjust but as far as hockey IQ and skills go I think Goc is ahead of #40. Light a fire under Lappy's ass and he might remember what his game is all about.
- Barnaby36

Ola.

19:25 here my friend. Sitting on the lounge after a hard days night.

Edit: you guys speak Portuguese don't you? Forget the Ola - G'day mate how they hanging?

Not only CAN Duper return, he WILL during the conference finals to lead us to the promised land.
- stackthepads

It's good to dream. I pray you are right, at least Dupes can bang and forecheck.

Can someone just explain why they don't think Lapierre can replace Goc points? I saw the Blues blog when they traded & the points were pretty much the same, the face offs were within 1% & how the Blues described - was a much of a muchness trade only Goc has a little more finesse & Lapierre has done terrible terrible things in his career. So points wise, why do people complain?
- Aussiepenguin

It's not about replacing points, it's about reducing the volume of dice rolls the other team has when your bottom 6 is on the ice.

Im not asking for high point scoring from the 3rd line. Just have a 50/50 split between shots for and against. The theory being they will be playing against the other teams top 6 it's a win to be 50/50.

It's not about replacing points, it's about reducing the volume of dice rolls the other team has when your bottom 6 is on the ice.

Im not asking for high point scoring from the 3rd line. Just have a 50/50 split between shots for and against. The theory being they will be playing against the other teams top 6 it's a win to be 50/50.
- walshy66

War on ice shots against per 60 pretty much the same as Lapierre & Goc, Goc slightly better goals against - that means shots on goals or D much the same just 'luckier' for the goals without investigating what the goalie of the day was doing.

Goals for Lapierre just ahead, shots for Goc ahead just - again very similar.

If that is just 2 comparative stats that can be used for comparison (IPad difficult to manipulate for some reason with war on ice website??), it's like the Blues blogger said pretty much the same - small sample size without looking at ALL data available. My understanding may be wrong. Different players have different playing styles but can produce similar results. It comes down to team needs not opinions of posters like moi!

Edit: the above stats all look like the wrong colour for both players - so different shyte same colour.

Seems I am way too late for the E Kane to Pitt rumor mill.... So just gonna say I wish the Neal for Kane trade had actually happened when we thought it had a slim chance.

Im seduced by the what if of Kassian. I believe he is a coach like Tocchet away from taking that next step.
- stackthepads

+1

Wild have fallen out of the race at this point. Im starting the Nino rumors again. Sutter and BB? They need a C, Nino is a 3rd liner there. Maybe throw in a D prospect.

Seems I am way too late for the E Kane to Pitt rumor mill.... So just gonna say I wish the Neal for Kane trade had actually happened when we thought it had a slim chance.
- Guile

Cant see Kane going w/o a 1st coming back. No to mention they are in the playoffs.

Kane, Frolik, Little, 1st for Malkin?

Seems I am way too late for the E Kane to Pitt rumor mill.... So just gonna say I wish the Neal for Kane trade had actually happened when we thought it had a slim chance.
- Guile

You would rather have Kane for Neal/Neal + instead or Hornqvist and a good depth player?

Hornqvist- 37gp 30p
Spaling- 50gp 20p

Kane- 37gp 22p
Neal- 44gp 29p

Neal for Kane might have cost us another pick or depth player. Who knows, but we were definitely not getting back another roster player in that deal. Hornqvist is exactly what we needed. Along with Perron, Honqvist and Kunitz we have a top 6 that can dig pucks out, get to the net and supply their own offense. Kunitz has looked fine this year. I expect him to heat up a little more down the stretch though.

Cant see Kane going w/o a 1st coming back. No to mention they are in the playoffs.

Kane, Frolik, Little, 1st for Malkin?
- sammy87

Not sure if I like that proposal more or the Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher and 1st from the other day. Malkin won't be traded and I don't want him gone at all.. but damn those two offers would be hard to pass up... especially with this deep draft.

Im done with BB. Im sorry but if you have an injury history like that, and the opportunity to step up with all the injuries and you get a healthy scratch, there is a work ethic problem.

I know nothing of Kassian, Matthias, or Winnik or really any other option for a bottom 6, i dont have the time to follow the rest of the league, but BB has no service on the Pens. I would have taken Goc over Sutter just for cap reasons, but even that isnt saying much.
- sammy87

That is cliche for I don't what to say about the situation and this might fit. It is a cop out. Rebounding from injuries, working up and down the lineup, he isn't taking it easy. He is a scapegoat right now and he shouldn't be. There is no reason for Sill to play an NHL game over Beau, none.

Not sure if I like that proposal more or the Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher and 1st from the other day. Malkin won't be traded and I don't want him gone at all.. but damn those two offers would be hard to pass up... especially with this deep draft.
- znagle

Im just coming up with an scenario where the Pens could get Malkin, thats about all i could think of that would be fair, doubt the cap works and I doubt 71 waives to Peg. I wouldnt!

That is cliche for I don't what to say about the situation and this might fit. It is a cop out. Rebounding from injuries, working up and down the lineup, he isn't taking it easy. He is a scapegoat right now and he shouldn't be. There is no reason for Sill to play an NHL game over Beau, none.
- usethe1-2-2

Not a cop out, its the truth. Hes not playing hard. Not giving 110% to prove hes a top 6. Hes playing like he doesnt care if he goes back to the AHL, cuz thats the route hes taking. In 1 year BB has been scratched for Sill and Glass.....time to move on.

Im just coming up with an scenario where the Pens could get Malkin, thats about all i could think of that would be fair, doubt the cap works and I doubt 71 waives to Peg. I wouldnt!
- sammy87

Agreed. I don't think Geno can be traded to a team anyway.. It would leave them bare bones and basically by the time they are done rebuilding Geno will be 33 at least

Not a cop out, its the truth. Hes not playing hard. Not giving 110% to prove hes a top 6. Hes playing like he doesnt care if he goes back to the AHL, cuz thats the route hes taking. In 1 year BB has been scratched for Sill and Glass.....time to move on.
- sammy87

Yah, the same truth that people said about Despres right? Let them play through tough times. You don't learn if you don't play. And btw, not giving 110% is another crock of bs. That is pure bias. He is generating consistently at a high level. 4th among wingers on this team. That makes him top 6. Let him play through struggles, everyone deals with them.
Moving on from players like that are young, talented, and cheap is why you don't have home grown talent. You don't take your time with them and let them screw up. You learn from experience and he doesn't have enough to learn his ABC's yet.

1 month till the deadline. Every scratch means something big. Hanzal scratched tonight. Let the fun begin.
- usethe1-2-2

Hanzal is injured