While I agree that eventually one of the 2 will be moved, neither will be moved for the peanuts package that was offered earlier. Again, a pending UFA d-man and a marginal backup for one of the best tending prospects in the game.

Vasi and Gibson are universally considered 1A/1B tending prospects in the game and contrary to what was posted before tenders do not get marginal returns. Schneider and Varlamov netted lottery 1st rounders, Lindback netted multiple 2nd/3rd rounders. The only one who netted a small package was Bishop but there were extenuating circumstances as to why. Ottawa had 3 goaltenders so one had to be moved. They were a playoff team/contender so Anderson wasn't getting moved and Lehner is/was their goaltender of the future. Bishop was the logical piece to be moved. There also may have been a games played clause that might have pushed Bishop to UFA but that may have been why StL moved him to Ottawa.
- uf1910

The logical move is Bishop. Provided Vasilevskiy pans out like many of us believe. Bishop is 28 (30 when that new contract expires) Vasy is 20.

The logical move is Bishop. Provided Vasilevskiy pans out like many of us believe. Bishop is 28 (30 when that new contract expires) Vasy is 20.
- Artyukhin76

What do you think they could get for Bishop? Im assuming they will trade him if Vasy shows he can handle the NHL...

What do you think they could get for Bishop? Im assuming they will trade him if Vasy shows he can handle the NHL...
- TBolts4

Right now or in a year and a bit? Right now, to the right team, Bishop could fetch a second pairing (4/5 guy) defensman and mid level prospect. Two knocks on Bishop is, no playoff experience and NO playoff experience.

Right now or in a year and a bit? Right now, to the right team, Bishop could fetch a second pairing (4/5 guy) defensman and mid level prospect. Two knocks on Bishop is, no playoff experience and NO playoff experience.
- Artyukhin76

Hopefully he gets plenty of that this year!

Hopefully he gets plenty of that this year!
- TBolts4

It will certainly increase his value when he's is moved.

Vasilevskiy should get about 10-12 starts this season, then 30-35 next season.

Yeah, I think most of us agree that ATM Vasi is hopefully our G for the future and Bishop is a temporary fill in for a couple years while he develops. Vasi won't be going anywhere this year or the next unless it's for something 'potentially' great since he to is 'potentially' great.

Yeah, I think most of us agree that ATM Vasi is hopefully our G for the future and Bishop is a temporary fill in for a couple years while he develops. Vasi won't be going anywhere this year or the next unless it's for something 'potentially' great since he to is 'potentially' great.
- BoltsFan1993

Outside of the SCF in 2004, has there been a more exciting time to be a Lightning Fan? Vinik and Yzerman have made this Franchise into something to be proud of.

I don't live in Edmonton. nor work for the team. that wasn't a real offer. I think maybe youre confused at what happens on this site.
were u under the impression I was mact under guise doing some trolling on the net?

and are you implying that oiler fans overvalue more than other fanbases??
yeah ive heard this narrative from a few other brain dead people.
"mact wont sell off his kids from a position of weakness for 3rd liners and character guys. He so overvalues them!!!"

anyways,
unproven young goalies generally go for notoriously low packages.
see ben bishop and anders lindback.
even some that are semi proven with high ceilings, but have some question marks go for mediocre packages. see kari lehtonen and jonathan bernier.

theres been a few times where the payment is relatively high, see varlamov or cory Schneider (both far more proven than vasilevski) but even them, still nothing that's too massive. or nothing worth WAY more than a solid top 4 dman and quality backup goalie.

now I realize that vasilevsky is a true bluechipper and that's why Id like him on the oilers, but goalies are always tough to gauge. even ones as good as he is at this age.
petry is far from a worthless piece, but I assumed hed resign. maybe I shoulda been more clear.
and fasth is a solid backup.

and what exactly are you expecting back when u deal him?
I think youll be disappointed if youre hoping for way more than that. what u think is fair and what the market dictates are probably two completely different things. and if you think offering jeff petry for vasilevsky is akin to offering yakupov for stamkos, then I think you should have a look in the mirror before you accuse anyone else of overvaluing home team players.....

either way, it wasn't a real offer, so just relax pumpkin. and counter if youd like, but no need to be a douche about it
- Ihateallofu

Not trying to bash you, but Vasilevskiy is hardly unproven if you do some research, he proven himself to be a top goaltender amongst his peers since 2010 to say the least from what I can find on nhl.com alone. And if continues to show his capabilities like he has it's difficult to say he won't excel regardless of where he is.

Tho no offense when I say this, but Edmonton might be the one place where he might not, you guys need better D, look at Dubnyk since he left. He did well in Phx and he's doing well again in Minnesota, whereas in Edmonton he was a center of scrutiny for years as I recall.

Outside of the SCF in 2004, has there been a more exciting time to be a Lightning Fan? Vinik and Yzerman have made this Franchise into something to be proud of.
- Artyukhin76

Seriously, hopefully Yzerman stays with the organization for many years to come!

Seriously, hopefully Yzerman stays with the organization for many years to come!
- BoltsFan1993

He's on his second contract now.

The logical move is Bishop. Provided Vasilevskiy pans out like many of us believe. Bishop is 28 (30 when that new contract expires) Vasy is 20.
- Artyukhin76

Pure speculation. Imagine the dilemma if Bish wins a cup? I don't necessarily disagree with you but for now lets ride the wave and enjoy the fact we have legitimate depth waiting in the wings

Pure speculation. Imagine the dilemma if Bish wins a cup? I don't necessarily disagree with you but for now lets ride the wave and enjoy the fact we have legitimate depth waiting in the wings
- uf1910

More then just speculation, just look at Bishops contract length. If there was ANY concern, it would have been longer.

More then just speculation, just look at Bishops contract length. If there was ANY concern, it would have been longer.
- Artyukhin76

Or perhaps the contract length might have been a "bridge" deal. With Bish's overall lack of experience handing him a deal longer than 2 years would be a huge gamble AND potentially hamstring the organization if he were to nosedive (see Mike Smith). As it is he got nice AAV on a short term deal and come 2 years from now Yzerman will have a decision to make.

For the record, I'm not saying I'm concerned with Vasi or Bishop. But that being said it is pure speculation to say right now that Bishop is gone in 2 years and Vasi will be our starter. Again, since we are playing a speculation/hypothetical game, does your answer change if Bishop wins a cup in the next 2 years? I don't necessarily disagree with you but this entire back and forth is based on pure speculation (which is what I said) b/c there are plenty of scenarios that have Bishop re-signed and Vasi dealt in 2 years

Or perhaps the contract length might have been a "bridge" deal. With Bish's overall lack of experience handing him a deal longer than 2 years would be a huge gamble AND potentially hamstring the organization if he were to nosedive (see Mike Smith). As it is he got nice AAV on a short term deal and come 2 years from now Yzerman will have a decision to make.

For the record, I'm not saying I'm concerned with Vasi or Bishop. But that being said it is pure speculation to say right now that Bishop is gone in 2 years and Vasi will be our starter. Again, since we are playing a speculation/hypothetical game, does your answer change if Bishop wins a cup in the next 2 years? I don't necessarily disagree with you but this entire back and forth is based on pure speculation (which is what I said) b/c there are plenty of scenarios that have Bishop re-signed and Vasi dealt in 2 years
- uf1910

I still see Bishop gone within two years as long a Vasy develops the way we believe. The only way Bishop stays is if Vasilevskiy goes Lindback on us. Bishop is nearing his best production years now and will be at the height of it come D-day when his value is sky high. Honestly Bishop is completely unknown in any playoff situation and who knows if he can do it and hopefully his "worlds" performance isn't an indication. Vasilevskiy has playoff experience.

I still see Bishop gone within two years as long a Vasy develops the way we believe. The only way Bishop stays is if Vasilevskiy goes Lindback on us. Bishop is nearing his best production years now and will be at the height of it come D-day when his value is sky high. Honestly Bishop is completely unknown in any playoff situation and who knows if he can do it and hopefully his "worlds" performance isn't an indication. Vasilevskiy has playoff experience.
- Artyukhin76

yzerman will keep bishop and vasy both as long as he can it's great to have good goalies! two of them! if you trade bishop and vasy gets hurt good bye season.

yzerman will keep bishop and vasy both as long as he can it's great to have good goalies! two of them! if you trade bishop and vasy gets hurt good bye season.
- todd1a

Bishop is the one I worry about getting hurt. EVERYTIME I see him playand make an awkward move I think he's gonna get up and go to the locker room.

They'll keep bishop until Vasy is ready, but 6m for a back-up is no good math.

Bishop is the one I worry about getting hurt. EVERYTIME I see him playand make an awkward move I think he's gonna get up and go to the locker room.

They'll keep bishop until Vasy is ready, but 6m for a back-up is no good math.
- Artyukhin76

Plus in two year, Guds will be ready for back up duty. Or that kid in Minnesota.
I love having goalie depth, but you also have to think that in two years, we will (hopefully) have a huge contract on our hands and Hedman will need a new contract as well. Keeping Bish, who will warrant 6M+ and Stammer at 10.5M and whatever Hedman gets, thats a lot of big money tied up for when you need to resign Drouin/Palat/Johnson/Kucherov.

Plus in two year, Guds will be ready for back up duty. Or that kid in Minnesota.
I love having goalie depth, but you also have to think that in two years, we will (hopefully) have a huge contract on our hands and Hedman will need a new contract as well. Keeping Bish, who will warrant 6M+ and Stammer at 10.5M and whatever Hedman gets, thats a lot of big money tied up for when you need to resign Drouin/Palat/Johnson/Kucherov.
- TBolts4

Hedman 7-8
Stamkos 10-12
Johnson 4-6
Palat 3-5
Kucherov 3-5
Killorn 3-5
Gudas 2-3

Hedman 7-8
Stamkos 10-12
Johnson 4-6
Palat 3-5
Kucherov 3-5
Killorn 3-5
Gudas 2-3
- Artyukhin76

Thats 40 mil right there. Add Callys 5,25, Stralmans 4,5, Filps 5, Boyle 2, Garrison 4,6 then thats almost 60 mil in 11 players. then we need to fit in 9 more in about 5 million, 2 of witch is goalies. I see cap problems comming.. Better enjoy while it lasts

Dont think Killorn will be a 3-5 mil guy tho.. but i see Kuch getting atleast 4.

Thats 40 mil right there. Add Callys 5,25, Stralmans 4,5, Filps 5, Boyle 2, Garrison 4,6 then thats almost 60 mil in 11 players. then we need to fit in 9 more in about 5 million, 2 of witch is goalies. I see cap problems comming.. Better enjoy while it lasts

Dont think Killorn will be a 3-5 mil guy tho.. but i see Kuch getting atleast 4.
- Cloud

Killorn already makes 2.55 so he may be a goner and Erne takes his place. That's why I see Filppula gone as well. Plus the cap will increase. Two years from now:
Drouin 3 Stamkos 10.5 Callahan 5.8
Palat 4.5 Johnson 5 kucherov 4
Erne 1.5 Namestnikov 2 Connolly 1.5
Paquette 1 Boyle 2 Richard .75

Hedman 7.5 Stralman 4.5
Carle 5.5 Keokkeok 1.5
Garrison 4.6 Gudas 2
Nesterov 1

Vasilevskiy 3
Gudlevskis .75
That's about $72m

Bishop is starting tonight

Killorn already makes 2.55 so he may be a goner and Erne takes his place. That's why I see Filppula gone as well. Plus the cap will increase. Two years from now:
Drouin 3 Stamkos 10.5 Callahan 5.8
Palat 4.5 Johnson 5 kucherov 4
Erne 1.5 Namestnikov 2 Connolly 1.5
Paquette 1 Boyle 2 Richard .75

Hedman 7.5 Stralman 4.5
Carle 5.5 Keokkeok 1.5
Garrison 4.6 Gudas 2
Nesterov 1

Vasilevskiy 3
Gudlevskis .75
That's about $72m
- Artyukhin76

I don't think Richard will make the nhl , I thought he would but he's behind where I thought he would be

I like Ikonens chances more

I don't think Richard will make the nhl , I thought he would but he's behind where I thought he would be

I like Ikonens chances more
- RileyB77

Either way, money isn't THAT big of an issue.

Is this Paquette a legit offensive player? He's definitely the streakiest scorer in the league right now, wow.

Is this Paquette a legit offensive player? He's definitely the streakiest scorer in the league right now, wow.
- Nucker101

Imo he is. I like him a lot.