I'm seeing on twitter that we have in fact made an offer for Winnik.. Toronto will shop around before pulling the trigger
- znagle

Yeah, Dreger said that the Pens made an offer, but Toronto said they weren't willing to go for it....right now. So whether that means they will shop him and if nothing better comes back they will do it or if Goc had anything to do with the proposal, because that offer was before the Lapierre deal.

Nothing on the pieces moving, but here is another link I found. I'm guessing maybe a pick, possibly Dumoulin if any prospects are going out. If it's Dumoulin I would like to see another pick come back in the deal

http://www.tsn.ca/trade-t...-winnik-just-yet-1.193707
- znagle

I don't want him to be traded really enjoy watching him play. But if the right deal comes along it may bet the best thing to do. He would be a great fit in Pitt

Great TRADE...adding toughness to play against isles and rangers boston is the mission here. Goc is good but not good enough. JR scores another win here.

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- dbell646

Hahaha! So much for that.

Yeah, Dreger said that the Pens made an offer, but Toronto said they weren't willing to go for it....right now. So whether that means they will shop him and if nothing better comes back they will do it or if Goc had anything to do with the proposal, because that offer was before the Lapierre deal.
- PensFan1103

Yeah possibly could have included Goc, I saw somewhere that Ruth was talking with St. Louis for about 2 weeks with Lapierre though. Toronto still feels they can make the playoffs, until they figure out they can't they will hold onto Winnik and try to get as much as they can out of him at the deadline

I don't want him to be traded really enjoy watching him play. But if the right deal comes along it may bet the best thing to do. He would be a great fit in Pitt
- Santo_44

Yeah he would look great here, Dumoulin will be a top 4 defenseman in two years tops and is still young. He will need a new contract this off season but it will be a cheap one. Kind of stuck if I would do Dumoulin for Winnik straight up, although he would help us win now

Yeah possibly could have included Goc, I saw somewhere that Ruth was talking with St. Louis for about 2 weeks with Lapierre though. Toronto still feels they can make the playoffs, until they figure out they can't they will hold onto Winnik and try to get as much as they can out of him at the deadline
- znagle

Not trading close to or at the trade deadline might be JR's best quality. Almost never a truly good deal in those times for buyers.

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- dbell646

Go figure. For once this isn't a what was it. Circle jerk?

Yeah, Dreger said that the Pens made an offer, but Toronto said they weren't willing to go for it....right now. So whether that means they will shop him and if nothing better comes back they will do it or if Goc had anything to do with the proposal, because that offer was before the Lapierre deal.
- PensFan1103

Toronto wouldn't have benefited from Goc; a prospect defenseman is their need.

Go figure. For once this isn't a what was it. Circle jerk?
- ChrisMS

Not trading close to or at the trade deadline might be JR's best quality. Almost never a truly good deal in those times for buyers.
- Guile

Exactly, although it looks like Toronto probably will hold onto him until then

Yeah he would look great here, Dumoulin will be a top 4 defenseman in two years tops and is still young. He will need a new contract this off season but it will be a cheap one. Kind of stuck if I would do Dumoulin for Winnik straight up, although he would help us win now
- znagle

The leafs could add in a low level prospect or whatever to make it work. But I don't think the Leafs are in a rush to trade him if they even want to at all. He's a good guy to have in the room for the young guys. They can really learn off him.

He doesn't generate a whole lot of offense. Usually around 30 points a year. But he works hard, plays a grind game, great on the PK and a good leader.

Well even if we are at $1 million, Winnik is $1.3 so we would still need to clear some space. And I don't think we are quite at $1 million in cap space. It will also depend what this team looks like once everyone is back. Let's say 13 F, 7 D, 2 G. Who is the 7th D? Who are the 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th forwards? A lot will go into it, but the way I see it shaking out assuming bottom 4 forwards are Spaling, Lapierre, Adams, and Arcobello and Pouliot is the D brought up, the Pens will have roughly $400,000 in cap space and that is a best case scenario depending how close to the cap the Pens were when they put Dupuis on LTIR.
- PensFan1103

By the sounds of it...getting rid of Adams would clear the space needed for Winnik.

Or just trade Scuderi and all of our salary problems go away..sorry can't help it, dude was abysmal last night

Toronto wouldn't have benefited from Goc; a prospect defenseman is their need.
- Topshelf Mountain

Defensive prospects are our strength. Would love to get another one though.

Defensive prospects are our strength. Would love to get another one though.
- Santo_44

But a ton of money wrapped up in the starting D-corp for a team that likely won't be in the playoffs, and Phaneuf being rumored out...maybe, possibly.

Lets get back to our team...

LTIR, you get the value of the contract for that player added to how much cap you used, and can go over the cap limit by the amount it exceeds.

Does regular Injured Reserve add anything as well? I can never keep track of cap rules, they are confusing and random at times, but with the time Horny missed, if that adds some space we should have some more wiggle room.

But a ton of money wrapped up in the starting D-corp for a team that likely won't be in the playoffs, and Phaneuf being rumored out...maybe, possibly.
- Topshelf Mountain

Phaneuf should be out of here within the next 6-8 months. At least I hope so

The leafs could add in a low level prospect or whatever to make it work. But I don't think the Leafs are in a rush to trade him if they even want to at all. He's a good guy to have in the room for the young guys. They can really learn off him.

He doesn't generate a whole lot of offense. Usually around 30 points a year. But he works hard, plays a grind game, great on the PK and a good leader.
- Santo_44

We can send you Scuderi? He's a guy that younger guys can learn off

I think the Leafs are waiting on their playoff status before they do anything

Toronto wouldn't have benefited from Goc; a prospect defenseman is their need.
- Topshelf Mountain

My thought there was that, the main piece from Pittsburgh would be a prospect (Dumoulin maybe) and then Goc would be included to offset cap and give Toronto a replacement player. But I agree that to a team who wouldn't be going for a run, Goc wouldn't add much value since he is a UFA.

I don't want him to be traded really enjoy watching him play. But if the right deal comes along it may bet the best thing to do. He would be a great fit in Pitt
- Santo_44

2016 3rd + Ruopp

Final offer.

We can send you Scuderi? He's a guy that younger guys can learn off

I think the Leafs are waiting on their playoff status before they do anything
- znagle

Scuds actually has shown to be VERY good at bringing in younger players. Despres is quite obviously a top 4 Dman, Dumolin looked great, Pouliot looking solid. Harrington... ummm... Despres looks great

We can send you Scuderi? He's a guy that younger guys can learn off

I think the Leafs are waiting on their playoff status before they do anything
- znagle

No thanks we don't need another bad contract. I think they are too. I would like a top 5 pick but the next 5 games are against bottom 5 teams excluding Nashville.

2016 3rd + Ruopp

Final offer.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Don't think the leafs take that

Lets get back to our team...

LTIR, you get the value of the contract for that player added to how much cap you used, and can go over the cap limit by the amount it exceeds.

Does regular Injured Reserve add anything as well? I can never keep track of cap rules, they are confusing and random at times, but with the time Horny missed, if that adds some space we should have some more wiggle room.
- Guile

Correct on the LTIR and regular IR adds no cap relief. Hornqvist was on LTIR, but as soon as he came off, his cap relief was taken away, which is why Malkin had to go on LTIR. With the amount of players the Pens are carrying right now due to all the smaller injuries, they can't fit under the cap even with Dupuis and Maatta relief. But once everyone is healthy and the call-ups all go back, they will be under by about $400,000.

No thanks we don't need another bad contract. I think they are too. I would like a top 5 pick but
- Santo_44

the next 5 games are against bottom 5 teams

excluding Nashville.

That's what I looked at when I inserted "probably not make the playoffs", but who is kidding who here? The top eight EC teams are solid and won't drop that far down. Toronto would have to likely win 25 of their last 34 games, which would put them at - or around - 97 points, which is what it would likely take to make it this year.