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Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:06 PM ET
He's definitely a big upgrade on Hickey. I wouldn't trade a top prospect for him ever though, and especially not when he is a UFA. I don't care how deep this year's draft is, Pittsburgh's 1st rounder is likely to be in the 23-30 range and we're not going to get someone as good as Pulock with that pick.

I'd love to see Petry in an Isles uniform, but if that turns out to be the asking price then I would pass.

Lubo will, in all likelihood, be gone after this year. That will clear a spot for Reinhart or Pulock next year. Hickey is an RFA will probably be signed for a year or two to help bridge the gap until the whoever loses out on a roster spot next year (Reinhart or Pulock) is ready.

- eichiefs9

Well that was kind of my point, better then hickey but still a 5th or 6th on the isles and not worth losing Pulock. Is petry better then any of the isles top 4? Is he better then Dehaan?
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:06 PM ET
i agree; they could use another dman. like petry...id be interested in getting him. id counter your offer with Petry for Mayfield straight up
- LetsGoIsles

With the contracts UFA defensemen are getting I can't see petry getting less than 5 per, which doesn't make sense for us moving forward. I wouldn't give up a blue chip prospect for a two month rental we can't realistically think about signing. The first round pick from the Penguins doesn't work for me.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:08 PM ET
Petry has never put up big numbers but is hands down in every facet of the game better than Hickey. But I guess if stats are all that matter to you there is really not much point in conversing
- Ihatebrianburke

Ok,like I said Early on not that familiar with him and was just going by his numbers? I could sit here and pretend I watch everyone from every team but I would be lying that's why I'm asking about him
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jan 26 @ 12:09 PM ET
He's definitely a big upgrade on Hickey. I wouldn't trade a top prospect for him ever though, and especially not when he is a UFA. I don't care how deep this year's draft is, Pittsburgh's 1st rounder is likely to be in the 23-30 range and we're not going to get someone as good as Pulock with that pick.

I'd love to see Petry in an Isles uniform, but if that turns out to be the asking price then I would pass.

Lubo will, in all likelihood, be gone after this year. That will clear a spot for Reinhart or Pulock next year. Hickey is an RFA will probably be signed for a year or two to help bridge the gap until the whoever loses out on a roster spot next year (Reinhart or Pulock) is ready.

- eichiefs9



to that point, if they are able to get petry in on a deal in the same range as hickey (give or take a few bucks), than the top 5 dmen will be even stronger with one of reinhart/pulock for the 6th next year.
Daddichronic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: T.
Joined: 01.13.2014

Jan 26 @ 12:10 PM ET
Kessel is not now nor will he ever be a once in a generation talent. Jebus!!!!!
- Ihatebrianburke

I guess you have a hard time reading..guess you need it spelled out for you..top 3 hockey player for the last 6years!!!DUH!!!!!!!put him on a team like Nashville or L A or pits and he's the next coming of Gretzky..put him on the leafs and idiots like you become rocket scientists on hockey players..what a joke
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:10 PM ET
he is definitely an upgrade over hickey, but more importantly hes an upgrade over whatever our 3rd pairing is. hamonic, dehaan, boychuk, leddy are all better...but having petry and hickey...and then having to rely less on visnovsky and moving donovan & strait down a rung is also very helpful.
- LetsGoIsles

But is it worth losing Pulock, that's what I'm asking which I don't think he is, I don't know a lot about him but know enough that he is not a game changer or upper echelon dman
isles10289
Joined: 02.17.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:11 PM ET
Garth Snow will not let us down.

1st round flame out !


- Pairo11


Nobody cares about your pick. We're playing for a cup.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:13 PM ET
Well that was kind of my point, better then hickey but still a 5th or 6th on the isles and not worth losing Pulock. Is petry better then any of the isles top 4? Is he better then Dehaan?
- Vukota

Yes he is better than Dehaan
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jan 26 @ 12:13 PM ET
With the contracts UFA defensemen are getting I can't see petry getting less than 5 per, which doesn't make sense for us moving forward. I wouldn't give up a blue chip prospect for a two month rental we can't realistically think about signing. The first round pick from the Penguins doesn't work for me.
- Isles_since_6


i see him in the 4-4.5 range honestly. if they could get him locked up, id think about the pulock for petry+1st.

if not id do mayfield for petry and see what happens during the offseason.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jan 26 @ 12:14 PM ET
Kessel bashers part 3:“They always knew Phil was there and he would always come through to get a goal or two to get us back in it or to win the game, or set somebody else up to do it. He had great speed even when he was young compared to a lot of players his age.” — Bob Suter, 2009

When Phil Kessel was 14 years old, he scored 176 goals and 286 points in 86 games for the Madison (Wisc.) Capitols. Scouts called him the next Wayne Gretzky and said he was going to be the best hockey player to ever come out of the United States.

“I remember playing in the national championship and catering our entire scheme to shutting him down,” Ryan said. “And we did. We won 3-0 and it was all about making sure he didn’t have that opportunity to take three strides with the puck, because we knew he could blow past everybody. That’s how dangerous he was.”

“He was always the best player,” Minnesota Wild defenceman Ryan Suter said. “He always had all the skill in the world. Our family and his family really hit it off, and my dad did take Phil kind of under his wing and really helped him develop. He always had a lot of stuff going on and I think my dad was able to keep everything going for him.”

Kessel’s father was a former CFL quarterback who was drafted by the Washington Redskins and his mother ran track in college. But it was Bob Suter, a defenceman for the United States’ Miracle on Ice team that won gold at the 1980 Olympics, who made the biggest impact on Kessel’s hockey career.

Suter coached Kessel from the ages of seven to 14. During that time, there were reportedly questions about an ego that was the size of Wisconsin and accusations that he was a bad teammate or not committed. But Suter’s belief in Kessel never wavered.

“I would not be here today without him,” Kessel said of Suter, who died of a heart attack in September. “He pushed me very hard … if you could imagine someone that shapes you as a player. He was hard. You ask Ryan, he was hard on us too. He demanded a lot of us as kids.

“There would be days when I wanted to quit as a kid. But I knew that he only meant the best, that he only wanted the best for me and he pushed me into becoming the player I was.”

When Kessel left Wisconsin for Ann Arbor, Mich., to play with the U.S. national team development program, its coach, John Hynes, remembers Suter telling him “that we have to have patience but that Phil cares. He’s a good kid, he wants to win, he has a special ability.”

It might have been a way of saying that if you could live with his warts, the good would outweigh the bad. Kessel scored 52 goals and 82 points in 62 games as a 16-year-old in the program. A year later, he scored 52 goals and 98 points in 45 games. He also scored nine goals and 16 points in six games to lead the U.S. to a gold medal at the world under-18 championship.

“The two guys in that time were Phil and Pat Kane,” said Hynes, who is now coaching the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins in the American Hockey League. “The unique quality about both of those kids was just their desire to score and make an impact. And if they didn’t make that impact and the team lost and they didn’t score they would become frustrated that they let down the team.”

“He might tape up five or six sticks a game. You see him during games changing sticks a lot. That stick gets one chance before he changes. Like he said, he might only get two or three chances a game, but when he gets those chances he needs it to work.” — Brad Janson, Easton Hockey representative

All players are streaky. All players go through cold spells that seem a lot worse when they are stuck in the middle of it than they do when the statistics are added up at the end of the season.

Kessel knows his role is to score goals. It is a role he has not been performing lately. And it is starting to wear on him. He cares.

“I demand a lot from myself,” said Kessel, who is in the top 15 in the league with 19 goals and 40 points. “I know what I have to do to help the team win and right now I’m not doing it right. We’re not winning. When you go on stretches like that and the team’s not winning, you get disappointed because you expect more from yourself, you want to do anything you can to help the team win.”

- Daddichronic


eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 26 @ 12:14 PM ET
Well that was kind of my point, better then hickey but still a 5th or 6th on the isles and not worth losing Pulock. Is petry better then any of the isles top 4? Is he better then Dehaan?
- Vukota

It's debatable. Petry get's far fewer offensive zone starts than Hickey and still maintains generally better possession numbers. I think he's undoubtedly an upgrade. Too add him and let Lubo sit now and again to keep him fresh would be huge, because in the event of an injury in-or-around the playoffs being forced to play Strait or Donovan would be a disaster.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:14 PM ET
Ok,like I said Early on not that familiar with him and was just going by his numbers? I could sit here and pretend I watch everyone from every team but I would be lying that's why I'm asking about him
- Vukota

Oh I'm Canadian. I just watch a poopload of hockey period
nyr30
New York Rangers
Location: so i was playing madden on x-b, NY
Joined: 01.31.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:14 PM ET
rangers will make depth moves only. unless another player requests a trade and shows interest in playing for the NYR. but thats not happening this year. they'l be in the market for a center and depth Dman. nothing major
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:15 PM ET
Yes he is better than Dehaan
- Ihatebrianburke

If this guy is so good and your D is terrible then why aren't they trying to lock him up?
nyr30
New York Rangers
Location: so i was playing madden on x-b, NY
Joined: 01.31.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:15 PM ET
mike richards on waivers
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:16 PM ET
It's debatable. Petry get's far fewer offensive zone starts than Hickey and still maintains generally better possession numbers. I think he's undoubtedly an upgrade. Too add him and let Lubo sit now and again to keep him fresh would be huge, because in the event of an injury in-or-around the playoffs being forced to play Strait or Donovan would be a disaster.
- eichiefs9

Worth losing Pulock?
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:17 PM ET
I guess you have a hard time reading..guess you need it spelled out for you..top 3 hockey player for the last 6years!!!DUH!!!!!!!put him on a team like Nashville or L A or pits and he's the next coming of Gretzky..put him on the leafs and idiots like you become rocket scientists on hockey players..what a joke
- Daddichronic

It's not just this one thing that makes me think you're an idiot. I've read the nonsense you spew on here for a long time. You're a joke. Kessel might score goals but is not and never will be a top 10 player in the league. And even if he was a top 3 player in the league, which he's not, that doesn't make him a generational talent.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:19 PM ET
i see him in the 4-4.5 range honestly. if they could get him locked up, id think about the pulock for petry+1st.

if not id do mayfield for petry and see what happens during the offseason.

- LetsGoIsles

That would be a good contract for Petry. If he reaches UFA status though he will get 5 mill. Not much in the way of Ufa dmen this year
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 26 @ 12:20 PM ET
Worth losing Pulock?
- Vukota

Not at all. I said before I would never trade Pulock for him and I would double-never do it because he's a UFA. Pittsburgh's 1st rounder is inconsequential to me.
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:20 PM ET
It's debatable. Petry get's far fewer offensive zone starts than Hickey and still maintains generally better possession numbers. I think he's undoubtedly an upgrade. Too add him and let Lubo sit now and again to keep him fresh would be huge, because in the event of an injury in-or-around the playoffs being forced to play Strait or Donovan would be a disaster.
- eichiefs9

Visnovsky is a lefty. Petry is a righty
Daddichronic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: T.
Joined: 01.13.2014

Jan 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
You are a clown. He isn't even top 10 players in the league let alone a generational talent. He's a good player no doubt but generational? Give your head a shake!
- Ihatebrianburke

Lmfao..what ever idiot!!!i forgot I'm dealing with an edmontonian..







Nuff said
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
Not at all. I said before I would never trade Pulock for him and I would double-never do it because he's a UFA. Pittsburgh's 1st rounder is inconsequential to me.
- eichiefs9

That's all I was saying
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
Visnovsky is a lefty. Petry is a righty
- Ihatebrianburke

ok? and?
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
If this guy is so good and your D is terrible then why aren't they trying to lock him up?
- Vukota

He wants to get the hell out of this dumpster fire!!!
Daddichronic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: T.
Joined: 01.13.2014

Jan 26 @ 12:24 PM ET

- glove_was_stuck

Little to much info for ya????sorry there's no pictures for you..I'll try to be a little slower for you next time
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