Or you could read the thread and see the answers
- mikeover

You're the only one that has mentioned a trade from BUF end

You're the only one that has mentioned a trade from BUF end
- RobitailleFAN20

Well I count for something don't I?

Umm I already said it twice...

Myers, Stafford, and Blues 1st

Larkin, Jurco, 2nd
- mikeover

Honestly,

we want to keep larkin, not to overvalue our players because i personally think myers is going to grow into his role a lot more and think his value is much higher than most wings fans would agree with

i would consider mantha and jurco, no picks for myers straight up, dont flame me guys haha its just kicking around ideas

Not familiar with VAN prospects, have good near NHL ready wingers?
- mikeover

Nicklas Jensen, Brendan Gaunce, Hunter Shinkaruk to name a couple.

Honestly,

we want to keep larkin, not to overvalue our players because i personally think myers is going to grow into his role a lot more and think his value is much higher than most wings fans would agree with

i would consider mantha and jurco, no picks for myers straight up, dont flame me guys haha its just kicking around ideas
- digitalbath

I thought Mantha was higher on your guys' prospect chart than Larkin, did Larkin pass him at WJC?

Well I count for something don't I?
- mikeover

Always

Not that the Canucks can afford to give top top 4 D, but you need to give something to get something.
- VanHockeyGuy

you can have Nick Holden as well to sweeten the deal

I thought Mantha was higher on your guys' prospect chart than Larkin, did Larkin pass him at WJC?
- mikeover

I would say yes, he killed it at the WJC, hes also doing great at MI and mantha has slowed down since being in the AHL.

obviously this is just my opinion on ranking

you can have Nick Holden as well to sweeten the deal
- DDM-Coga

if it were only that easy.

I thought Mantha was higher on your guys' prospect chart than Larkin, did Larkin pass him at WJC?
- mikeover

Larkin is a center so he has higher value.

Umm I already said it twice...

Myers, Stafford, and Blues 1st

Larkin, Jurco, 2nd
- mikeover

Breaking this down a little:
Capgeek isn't working for me for some reason, but I'm pretty sure Buffalo would need to retain some salary here. Once you get past that, this is a deal I don't think either team would be happy with.
The reason most of us are sure Larkin won't be moved is that he is far and away our best prospect at center. He had a great WJC and is putting up big number for U-M, so he will hopefully be a big part of the future.
The only reason the wings would want to swap Jurco for Stafford is to get another right handed shot, but I don't think that would be a good enough reason for them to take a player who would definitely not play in the Wings top 6 for a guy who has potential to do so probably next year.
On top of that all that, why would the sabres trade down in the draft when they are already (probably) retaining salary and giving away a giant young defenseman?

sorry this rambles, but the reasons are in there

I would say yes, he killed it at the WJC, hes also doing great at MI and mantha has slowed down since being in the AHL.

obviously this is just my opinion on ranking
- digitalbath

I would be up for either Mantha/Larkin and Jurco for Myers straight up, either is cool with me.

Now saying that could have Wings fans and Sabres fans alike screaming at me like I'm an idiot, which probably means it's fair value.

Breaking this down a little:
Capgeek isn't working for me for some reason, but I'm pretty sure Buffalo would need to retain some salary here. Once you get past that, this is a deal I don't think either team would be happy with.
The reason most of us are sure Larkin won't be moved is that he is far and away our best prospect at center. He had a great WJC and is putting up big number for U-M, so he will hopefully be a big part of the future.
The only reason the wings would want to swap Jurco for Stafford is to get another right handed shot, but I don't think that would be a good enough reason for them to take a player who would definitely not play in the Wings top 6 for a guy who has potential to do so probably next year.
On top of that all that, why would the sabres trade down in the draft when they are already (probably) retaining salary and giving away a giant young defenseman?

sorry this rambles, but the reasons are in there
- JohnnySoze

capgeek is down forever, the guy who runs it is sick and doesnt want to sell it.

Larkin is a center so he has higher value.
- Feds91Stammer

Id say the fact that Datsyuk is closing in on his time, it creates that need for another stellar C. Alot of fans think larkin will be our Next Captain, idk if i can agree with that until we see what he does with the big kids

but we have tatar and Goose, and pulk on wing, all young, and its easier to find forwards in UFA than defense, so myers may be worth losing mantha, its a risk for sure, but if we got myers we would also be able to trade kindl, which i think should pull a 3rd rounder

Breaking this down a little:
Capgeek isn't working for me for some reason, but I'm pretty sure Buffalo would need to retain some salary here. Once you get past that, this is a deal I don't think either team would be happy with.
The reason most of us are sure Larkin won't be moved is that he is far and away our best prospect at center. He had a great WJC and is putting up big number for U-M, so he will hopefully be a big part of the future.
The only reason the wings would want to swap Jurco for Stafford is to get another right handed shot, but I don't think that would be a good enough reason for them to take a player who would definitely not play in the Wings top 6 for a guy who has potential to do so probably next year.
On top of that all that, why would the sabres trade down in the draft when they are already (probably) retaining salary and giving away a giant young defenseman?

sorry this rambles, but the reasons are in there
- JohnnySoze

Capgeek is shut down permanently (unfortunately). I'm sure you don't want Larkin moved just like the Sabres don't want Myers moved. From both perspectives, you have to give up something to get something. If Larkin has surpassed Mantha on your prospect chart then I understand that you don't want to let him go as much as we would not want to part with Reinhart.

The Sabres trading down in the draft was just a way to sweeten the deal because otherwise it would have been lopsided. It was a way for the Sabres to essentially try to trade a draft pick for players who are closer to NHL ready which is what they are looking for.

I would say yes, he killed it at the WJC, hes also doing great at MI and mantha has slowed down since being in the AHL.

obviously this is just my opinion on ranking
- digitalbath

I would be inclined to wait until training camp next year to make that call. I can see either getting moved before then. Mantha was a monster in amateur and was great in WJC too.
The thing with Mantha is that he had to recover from his injury while turning pro, not staying where he was. If he was putting up pedestrian numbers in the Q right now, I might be concerned, but he is playing pro now and although not putting up numbers is playing quite well from what I've seen on an average AHL team.

Myers, Stafford, Blues 1st

for

Jurco, Larkin, 2nd

No response Sabres/Wings fans?
- mikeover

Jurco and Larkin are not both NHL ready, at this time. Tim Murray has said repeatedly he is trying to speed up rebuild, not slow it down.
Myers will only be traded for established NHL talent.

Hooray more Myers for ROR

I could see it happening yet I doubt either fanbase would like the deal

Canucks fans,
Would you entertain a deal that sent Chris Neil to Van for Kassian?
Neil provides toughness and playoff experience and that strikes me as something Van will want come the playoffs, when the Sedins are getting punched in the head.
Obviously this couldn't be a 1 for 1 deal, Kassian is much younger and has a much higher ceiling. Kassian appears to have fallen out of favour in Van and I'm sure they'd rather send him back east.
Neil and a 3rd for Kassian?

Or... we could just SIGN him... and NOT give up Myers.
- mikeover

dude, myers is a goner, deal with it

Jurco and Larkin are not both NHL ready, at this time. Tim Murray has said repeatedly he is trying to speed up rebuild, not slow it down.
Myers will only be traded for established NHL talent.
- Tinkleman11

Jurco is not nhl ready?

I would be inclined to wait until training camp next year to make that call. I can see either getting moved before then. Mantha was a monster in amateur and was great in WJC too.
The thing with Mantha is that he had to recover from his injury while turning pro, not staying where he was. If he was putting up pedestrian numbers in the Q right now, I might be concerned, but he is playing pro now and although not putting up numbers is playing quite well from what I've seen on an average AHL team.
- JohnnySoze

No you are definitely right, i would personally not be unhappy with waiting to see if we can improve a little thru UFA this june, but i would not be mad if we made a deal for myers either considering his long term with reasonable cap hit. What i dont want to see is basically any deal under any circumstances for yandle/green/franson ect anyone whos more than likely testing ufa

Kassian to Leafs for Kadri and Gardiner would be a good trade for both sides.

All 3 of them need fresh starts.

Kassian to Leafs for Kadri and Gardiner would be a good trade for both sides.

All 3 of them need fresh starts.
- Scooby_Doo

Wrong. As always.

Maybe, MAYBE Gardiner for Kassian straight up if both GMs were drinking together.

Haven't you learned about player value from the Luongo deal?

Jurco and Larkin are not both NHL ready, at this time. Tim Murray has said repeatedly he is trying to speed up rebuild, not slow it down.
Myers will only be traded for established NHL talent.
- Tinkleman11

Although i think what you were trying to say was that jurco might be nhl ready larkin is not...and murray wants 2 nhl ready players?

if this is what you meant, id still say youre wrong because everytime we try and make a deal for myers, where does it stop? Murray wants Larkin or Mantha ...? then we say no..

so its either 1 or the other, he wants NHL ready talent, or he wants our top prospects even tho theyre not NHL ready..?