I need capgeek but even with perron moving scuds or martin will work. Also JR has said/ plus we see it that pouliot doumolin and harrington are all NHL ready
- nh4442

Trading Martin for future assets is a horrible idea with Maata out for the rest of the year. Defensive depth is the most important thing to win in the playoffs after a hot goalie.

Martin traded for picks...so you're already writing this year off as a wash?

No one's taking Scuderi with 1 year left. Next year, maybe.

You're already dipping into Dupuis' money, and you're still up against the cap.
- jmatchett383

Pens have d depth but needed scoring depth. If they can get jagr or tlusty and then trade martin for picks it works out. I'd rather see martin traded for picks then let him walk IF pens can get a scoring player.. if they can't then keep Martin and win cup and let him walk

Pens have d depth but needed scoring depth. If they can get jagr or tlusty and then trade martin for picks it works out. I'd rather see martin traded for picks then let him walk IF pens can get a scoring player.. if they can't then keep Martin and win cup and let him walk
- nh4442

Just out of curiosity: how often do you visit here? Because we've been discussing these scenarios for about 2 months now.

Farnham has drawn much more penalties that he has taken and also provides energy. He gets in after the puck and will challenge anyone on the boards, as well as a fight.
- znagle

Don't need to fight in playoffs... and if the whole team doesn't bring energy then they don't deserve to be in playoffs...

I'm sorry but "he's an energy guy" and " but he's a pk specialist" are the two dumbest terms to use for describing someone. Everyone should bring energy to the team or be let go and imo everyone should know how to play special teams

Just out of curiosity: how often do you visit here? Because we've been discussing these scenarios for about 2 months now.
- jmatchett383

Really?? Hmm must have missed it...





Oh wait posters write up the same thing over and over again all the time... I'm brining it up again bc it can be done and it goes along with the blog... maybe you should just stick to your board...

Don't need to fight in playoffs... and if the whole team doesn't bring energy then they don't deserve to be in playoffs...

I'm sorry but "he's an energy guy" and " but he's a pk specialist" are the two dumbest terms to use for describing someone. Everyone should bring energy to the team or be let go and imo everyone should know how to play special teams
- nh4442

I didn't say he needed to fight, but he can. The point I was making about the energy guy is that he can get in on the forecheck, dig the puck out and keep play in the offensive zone. Once healthy he could be with Spaling/Downie and Goc. I would take that 100x over that combo with Sill or Adams. Plus Farnham doesn't cost assets which are needed

Pens have d depth but needed scoring depth. If they can get jagr or tlusty and then trade martin for picks it works out. I'd rather see martin traded for picks then let him walk IF pens can get a scoring player.. if they can't then keep Martin and win cup and let him walk
- nh4442

To be fair....

I have no clue what this means...

Let Martin walk, don't let him walk, trade Martin...

Really?? Hmm must have missed it...





Oh wait posters write up the same thing over and over again all the time... I'm brining it up again bc it can be done and it goes along with the blog... maybe you should just stick to your board...
- nh4442

I post on here regularly. If you didn't jump to conclusions, you'd know the Penguins are my second favorite team and I actually root for them 78 times a year plus playoffs.

You're entitled to your opinion, but with Maata out, if you trade Martin, you're guaranteed to be playing good minutes to 2 rookies or 1 rookie and Scuderi (barring any further injuries) over a proposed 4 playoff rounds. Not to mention, getting Jagr and/or Tlusty, at their cap hit, don't fill a positional need on the team (top-6 winger) more than a good, top-3 defenseman.

Pens have d depth but needed scoring depth. If they can get jagr or tlusty and then trade martin for picks it works out. I'd rather see martin traded for picks then let him walk IF pens can get a scoring player.. if they can't then keep Martin and win cup and let him walk
- nh4442

But if you trade d depth for scoring depth all of a sudden you need d depth

I post on here regularly. If you didn't jump to conclusions, you'd know the Penguins are my second favorite team and I actually root for them 78 times a year plus playoffs.

You're entitled to your opinion, but with Maata out, if you trade Martin, you're guaranteed to be playing good minutes to 2 rookies or 1 rookie and Scuderi (barring any further injuries) over a proposed 4 playoff rounds. Not to mention, getting Jagr and/or Tlusty, at their cap hit, don't fill a positional need on the team (top-6 winger) more than a good, top-3 defenseman.
- jmatchett383

Agreed. This #Jagrwatch and Tlusty talk needs to end because it doesn't make sense in reality. Maybe on NHL 15 it could work

I didn't say he needed to fight, but he can. The point I was making about the energy guy is that he can get in on the forecheck, dig the puck out and keep play in the offensive zone. Once healthy he could be with Spaling/Downie and Goc. I would take that 100x over that combo with Sill or Adams. Plus Farnham doesn't cost assets which are needed
- znagle

I'll agree to this but stating that there are better options then farnham.. like rust and even ebbett

To be fair....

I have no clue what this means...

Let Martin walk, don't let him walk, trade Martin...
- stowerkraut

That's bc you are a noob

But if you trade d depth for scoring depth all of a sudden you need d depth
- RAGSareDANGERus

good to see someone has a clue.

anyone suggesting we should trade paul martin, especially for picks, should be taken out back and shot.

when maatta was supposed to come back, that was a fine argument to make. not one i agreed with, but an argument that had its merits. now that maatta isnt coming back, you can't afford to lose your arguably #2 defensemen.

team needs bottom 6 help but this team needs someone who has some energy and is physical... adams and sill both suck. getting them out of the lineup would go a long way.

That's bc you are a noob
- nh4442

kewl dewd u r so aWeSoMe lolzzz rofl

These last few games have given me a lot to worry about, not because they are losses but because they are all too familiar to what we've seen in the playoffs recently. The same superstar-laden line-up that continuously fail to man-up for big games. I'm not sure how much of this can truly be pinned on the injuries. I admit they are to key guys but how likely is it that we have a fully healthy lineup in the playoffs?

I'm so far beyond the "one more trade will make the difference" mentality. I want to see the 3rd/4th line hit people with a purpose, the 3rd line show up offensively and the 1st and 2nd lines show some tenacity and actually score! I think that's a fairly basic model.
- iworkatinitech

Good point. First 20 or so games Comeau and Horny's work ethic were a breath of fresh air. 2 guys that were never given anything/know the only way they are in the NHL is because they play like that. Talk about 2 guys that looked refreshed and excited to get here. I think they're mentality will trickle down. Should be coming from the "C" and "A"'s however.

good to see someone has a clue.

anyone suggesting we should trade paul martin, especially for picks, should be taken out back and shot.

when maatta was supposed to come back, that was a fine argument to make. not one i agreed with, but an argument that had its merits. now that maatta isnt coming back, you can't afford to lose your arguably #2 defensemen.

team needs bottom 6 help but this team needs someone who has some energy and is physical... adams and sill both suck. getting them out of the lineup would go a long way.
- SuperHenderson13

I wasn't a fan of the proposed Martin trade, but the Martin for J. Williams trade was rational and logical after the Voynov incident. But now, with Maata out, Martin is crucial to the team's success this year.

I'll agree to this but stating that there are better options then farnham.. like rust and even ebbett
- nh4442

I like either Rust or Farnham, I would take both right now for the 4th line but when fully healthy only one will have the chance to come up. Ebbet is a no, he doesn't belong on an NHL roster. He is an older sill, younger Adams

That's bc you are a noob
- nh4442

That is true. I'm just saying. Comma's y'know? That all.

Good point. First 20 or so games Comeau and Horny's work ethic were a breath of fresh air. 2 guys that were never given anything/know the only way they are in the NHL is because they play like that. Talk about 2 guys that looked refreshed and excited to get here. I think they're mentality will trickle down. Should be coming from the "C" and "A"'s however.
- stowerkraut

i dont think anyone can question malkin right now. with the linemates he's had, i think a lot of people expected him to lay down and just go through the motions. quite the opposite, he has absolutely been a force to watch.

I post on here regularly. If you didn't jump to conclusions, you'd know the Penguins are my second favorite team and I actually root for them 78 times a year plus playoffs.

You're entitled to your opinion, but with Maata out, if you trade Martin, you're guaranteed to be playing good minutes to 2 rookies or 1 rookie and Scuderi (barring any further injuries) over a proposed 4 playoff rounds. Not to mention, getting Jagr and/or Tlusty, at their cap hit, don't fill a positional need on the team (top-6 winger) more than a good, top-3 defenseman.
- jmatchett383

While pouliot is still young he can fill a top 4 role and yes with maatta hurt our depth goes down but harrington and Dumoulin can fill the void here and there

Plus adding someone like Jagr /tlusty you can put guys in the normal places like comeau Downie Spaling in bottom 6

Agreed. This #Jagrwatch and Tlusty talk needs to end because it doesn't make sense in reality. Maybe on NHL 15 it could work
- znagle

Seconded.

That is true. I'm just saying. Comma's y'know? That all.
- stowerkraut

They are too much work lol.

Next time I will

I wasn't a fan of the proposed Martin trade, but the Martin for J. Williams trade was rational and logical after the Voynov incident. But now, with Maata out, Martin is crucial to the team's success this year.
- jmatchett383

i was meh about that.

on one hand, williams is a force in the playoffs, but at the same time, i think a lot of people here love to underrate martin because he isnt the big physical defensemen everyone wants.

islanders game was a prime example... JT comes down and absolutely undresses Despres and then he comes down and tries to undress Martin 1 on 1 and Martin uses his stick and puts the puck in the corner and played him perfectly.

you need guys like Martin around come playoff time.

I wasn't a fan of the proposed Martin trade, but the Martin for J. Williams trade was rational and logical after the Voynov incident. But now, with Maata out, Martin is crucial to the team's success this year.
- jmatchett383

I think martins fate will be similar to stralmans. He's too important for a cup run and will be retained and then likely walk for nothing.

While pouliot is still young he can fill a top 4 role and yes with maatta hurt our depth goes down but harrington and Dumoulin can fill the void here and there

Plus adding someone like Jagr /tlusty you can put guys in the normal places like comeau Downie Spaling in bottom 6
- nh4442

IMO, Pouliot is not ready for top 4 minutes or assignments. he has shown great progress and has a bright future, but he isnt ready to be on that stage yet.