Pay attention, Wods. He DECIDED what he was eating at 8AM.
- Elbows15

I see it now Elbows...been a long day as well. I tend to skip read and work at the same time. Sometimes I mess vital words.

- robin_steele264

Suckers..

In most cases it's negligible. In Toronto's case it's fascinating. Toronto starts about 60% of the time in the D Zone and turn the puck over before any sustained possession, leading to more shots.
- Viktory

Really? Not in Leaf games.

BUT if you can use science to figure it out, it's a lot better of a bet than trying to rely on your own judgment, which will be inevitably biased one way or another whether you realize it or not.
- BINGO!

will analytics detect cancer in a dressing room

Scouting talent is what differentiates good teams from bad teams. A scientific fact is different than figuring out who is better defensively, Kadri or Bozak.
- dionschenn

Scouting leans more towards subjectivity. Analytics lean more towards objectivity. Scientific facts are not subjective.

Bozak has the benefit of playing on a line that scores enough to make up for his defensive short comings as well as makes him look like he's good offensively, which he's not.

The best career move Bozak ever made was becoming best friends with Phil Kessel.

So, what did you have for lunch today ?
- bixll

nothing.. woke up a bit late and didnt have a chance to toss anything together

which is amplifying the burger craving lol

Who wanted him for that? He was horrific last season.
- RogerRoeper

Thats what he wanted after the boston year, he wanted 4x5 this offseason, he's good, but no one looks good playing with Gardner...

will analytics detect cancer in a dressing room
- shmenge

That's what a coach is for.

Yep, can't measure desire...
- aminnes

I think you can don't you? Desire to get the puck back, win puck battles, cycle etc ..all possession stats directly linked to desire.

Really? Not in Leaf games.
- 1979AD

If you read the entire post, that's what I said.

Analytics look at what has already happened. They are irrefutable facts. If you look at things from that singular perspective then the people looking at them should come to the same logical conclusions.

When people look at things from multiple angles, then you get a clearer picture, but that doesn't reduce the value of any of it.

If everyone who looks at the numbers comes to the same conclusion, that tells you something. If you just dismiss it because nobody is dissenting, that's ridiculous.
- BINGO!

2 + 2 = 4 but if too many people agree on it, it's garbage.

That's what a coach is for.
- BINGO!

and away we go

One thing I've always wondered and haven't gotten a reasonable explanation is for team possession stats, why is the ratio of shot attempts a better proxy for possession than the ratio of time the puck is in each team's offensive zone?
- 1979AD

because if you have the puck and you're not putting it on net or you're not able to put it on net, you suck. you can't score if you can't get the puck to the net.

I think you can don't you? Desire to get the puck back, win puck battles, cycle etc ..all possession stats directly linked to desire.
- Woderwick

Kind of but not really... It's a tool but to me i wouldn't rest 100% on it, it would be a factor in any decision...

nothing.. woke up a bit late and didnt have a chance to toss anything together

which is amplifying the burger craving lol
- Dozzer

Now I want burgers, and haven't had one for a long time, but happened to take hamburg out of the freezer last night. But it's -18 outside.. (frank) it..I'm Canadian. Burgers it is. My family will love me.

2 + 2 = 4 but if too many people agree on it, it's garbage.
- JohnFergusonJr

You're missing the point. So we should just construct a team based on the guy's who have the best Corsi in the league?

That's what a coach is for.
- BINGO!

And a Captain.

I see it now Elbows...been a long day as well. I tend to skip read and work at the same time. Sometimes I mess vital words.
- Woderwick

So kind of like my typing then. Gotcha.

nothing.. woke up a bit late and didnt have a chance to toss anything together

which is amplifying the burger craving lol
- Dozzer

Well time for me to make dinner, what should I have.. Maybe a burger..

2 + 2 = 4 but if too many people agree on it, it's garbage.
- JohnFergusonJr

If I found a group of people who LOVE plus/minus. And they all agree that one player is better than the other because of their plus/minus, would that be smart? No.

I don't think Corsi is reliable. So them all agreeing on on who is better than who based off ONE flawed stat is ridiculous to me.

You're missing the point. So we should just construct a team based on the guy's who have the best Corsi in the league?
- dionschenn

that's definitely a slippery slope when it comes to evaluating players to trade for or bring in through UFA.

and away we go
- shmenge

I don't know what you mean...

Analytics deal in numbers representative of performance. Coaches are there mostly to implement a system and then just manage the players as people.

He gets the best of both worlds because he can evaluate his players in person and via the numbers and adjust his systems and player usage based on that.

The numbers say, unequivocally, what is happening on the ice.

You can then use them how you see fit and evaluate players from there.

But to ignore them entirely is just stupid.

So kind of like my typing then. Gotcha.
- Elbows15

I wish...too many people take offence to haphazard typing on here. If I can understand what someone is trying to convey, I could care less. See Dozzer going to bed now and making burgers at 8am.

And a Captain.
- Woderwick

we need to buck this down to the wood, change the core. We've done everything else but... will fans be able to take it? Yes they will, we've been taking it for 5 decades, what's one more.

If I found a group of people who LOVE plus/minus. And they all agree that one player is better than the other because of their plus/minus, would that be smart? No.

I don't think Corsi is reliable. So them all agreeing on on who is better than who based off ONE flawed stat is ridiculous to me.
- dionschenn

Corsi is more reliable than other stats because it shows how the player performs in order to get the puck into scoring chances. Yeah it's flawed, but comparing it to +/- is silly.