go ask the chicago fans if its keith or seabrook

il let them answer for me.

but thats ok if you think hes their #1 that makes no difference to me...leafs still have dion as their #1 and i dont even know who id say is there number 2.

franson? puke
polak? ugh..hes a second pairing guy at best if u ask me, but what do i know!
- Lucas Neilson

I agree Franson is probably not a #2, he's playing pretty well...Polak is a 3rd pairing PK guy IMO.

Im surprised Suter hasnt made the list.
- Lee Denault

He should have. Swapped him for Burns.

You're right he has taken some risk.

I know you weren't quoting me but I meant he doesn't take the risk in making moves like Nill in Dallas has done. Nonis wouldn't have moved Lupul, Gauthier and whatever else for Seguin. He probably wouldn't even make the call.

He spoke about the players not being safe in his press conference about Carlyle. If I were a player on his team I'd laugh at it. He doesn't make big moves.
- Aaron_85

the problem is, he's taken the stupidest kind of risk: high risk, low reward. what were Bolland and Clarkson ever going to bring to the Leafs? quality third line minutes and some leadership? that's not the kind of risk a GM takes. the biggest issue with Nonis is that there's no rhyme or reason to anything he does. he just seems to react to things. his moves in 2013 were a direct reaction to the game 7 meltdown. his moves in 2014 were a direct reaction to the last 15 games of 2014. he doesn't seem like he has the ability, as a manager, to take a step back and see the big picture. he's all about plugging leaks.

One of the "related articles" below it:




- markmark

Some funny stuff on there. It is entertaining. Some well written articles.

What is your criteria?

I think this list supports your point: there are very few true #1 defensemen. I agree Burns shouldn't have made that list, but OEL definitely belongs there.
- 1979AD

I would use Weber as a benchmark. Work off that. Look at Team Canada's d corps. Not sure if they would be considered all #1 by many on here.

If you are poor defensively, are, or should you be considered a #1 ?

What a (frank)ing wussy ass society we live in.

Banning toboganning?...

So are we going to ban ski resorts too than? Because you reach a higher top speed and launch from higher altitude.

what a (frank)ing.....joke

This is a joke right?
- Lee Denault

they are banning that poop, (frank) they already made the people take their mini rink down


no fun allowed ever, go back in side and play your video games

Sooooooo... banning tobogganing is a thing now?
- SofaKingBored

Pretty soon your'll need written permission from our nanny government to take a poop...

This is a joke right?
- Lee Denault

Sadly it is not a joke. http://www.thespec.com/ne...aning-reputation-sliding/

seguin doesn't concern me. He's very similar to kessel in that he brings purely one way offense.

However, after watching Hamilton for about 15 full games this year..he's an absolute stud. He'd be our top Dman this year no doubt and plays a great 2 way game.

No one really lost this trade and burke can't be blamed for making it. I wouldn't have made it personally but alot of trades end up worse than this one.
- clark_griswold

What made it a horrible trade was the timing of it and the fact the team was terrible and should have been rebuilding. Instead of sucking and gathering a bunch of top picks, they trade them all away for kessel, just to be mediocre again.

You dont win with one superstar. Not only Seguin and Hamilton, they probably would have had a few more top 5 picks in the next couple years.

Terrible trade.

I heard this. Apparently the City of Hamilton banned it already!? This nanny state BS needs to stop.
- 1979AD

Just do it anyway...

Im surprised Suter hasnt made the list.
- Lee Denault

he said on contending teams... Minni's not.

But IMO Suter is the best all round Dman in the league and it isn't close.

He should have. Swapped him for Burns.
- 1979AD

I think suter fits the criteria of >25 minutes again.. isnt he around 30?


maybe i dont understand the list.

Maybe i have spent to much time looking at it.

he said on contending teams... Minni's not.

But IMO Suter is the best all round Dman in the league and it isn't close.
- Badge

No, in the league, not just contending.

Just do it anyway...
- aminnes

everything is more fun when it's illegal

leave the pot laws just as they are please

What made it a horrible trade was the timing of it and the fact the team was terrible and should have been rebuilding. Instead of sucking and gathering a bunch of top picks, they trade them all away for kessel, just to be mediocre again.

You dont win with one superstar. Not only Seguin and Hamilton, they probably would have had a few more top 5 picks in the next couple years.

Terrible trade.
- TincupCanuck

I agree (like i said i wouldn't have made it). Add that on to the signing Gerber which resulted in us moving down in the draft....imagine the possibilities.

Hamilton would look very good for us this year. If you haven't seen him play, i suggest you do. Kid is a horse

I heard this. Apparently the City of Hamilton banned it already!? This nanny state BS needs to stop.
- 1979AD

The world is becoming pussified by all the pussies

Can we get Jagr for cheap? It'd be fun to see Kessel-Kadri-Jagr on the top line for the rest of the season. He's been around too and could probably teach a thing or two.

I would use Weber as a benchmark. Work off that. Look at Team Canada's d corps. Not sure if they would be considered all #1 by many on here.

If you are poor defensively, are, or should you be considered a #1 ?
- bixll

I think if you play nearly half of every game for a team that dominates the standings, you have to be included even if you're known to be a defensive liability, like Kris Letang.

And not allowed to smoke... lol
- bixll

Smoking is banned from most homes as it is already...

he said on contending teams... Minni's not.

But IMO Suter is the best all round Dman in the league and it isn't close.
- Badge

6 points out of playoffs with 2 games in hand.

I wouldn't write them off. they are a good team.

That would depend what your definition of #1 is. The following players average >25mns/game for contending teams:

Doughty
Weber
Josi (not a #1, but fits the criteria)
Keith
Letang
Pietrangelo
Subban

Candidates that don't fit that criteria include:

Karlsson
Giordano
E. Johnson
Yandle
Ekman-Larsson
Kronwall
Suter
Muzzin
Girardi
McDonagh
Chara
Hedman
Seabrook
- 1979AD

I would take all highlighted ahead of Dion at 7 per, and there are others as well, Dion is probably the 50th best d man in NHL...

I agree Franson is probably not a #2, he's playing pretty well...Polak is a 3rd pairing PK guy IMO.
- Garnie

Franson will be a stud on a team who's forwards concentrate on defense

Smoking is banned from most homes as it is already...
- SofaKingBored

Good afternoon your highness

Sadly it is not a joke. http://www.thespec.com/ne...aning-reputation-sliding/
- 1979AD

Not suprising though. I know of 3 people who've had serious head injuries and another that died when I was growing up, and that was just in our collection of little towns around... not at all a large population.

Stunned they made bike helmets a law and ignored tobogganing for so long.