good sentiment... but I would steer as far away from Thornton, Richards or Lecavalier as possible... as they simply have too much mileage on them... and none of them (in particular Lecavalier) are quick enough to play with Kessel. RoR might be just the tonic however.

if they can somehow move Phaneuf for a decent/fair return - then keeping Franson at a reasonable annual rate might not be a bad choice.... also move Robidas even it costs them a pick/prospect... and promote 1 or 2 of the marlies.

combining Reimer, Gardiner together might be a option in a hockey deal.
- BorjeFan4Ever

yeah, it is all about the salary dump.

While I don't necesssarily want Lecavalier or Richards, I do want to get away from Bozak. We would be getting a veteran C who is capable of being a captain. I think both have another year or two in the tank. You could also dump salary to get these guys.

I would love toget RoR but you have to clear better than 6 million in cap and you have to beat other offers. I think you are looking at Kadri + Gardiner at a minimum. To beat other offers you probably have to include Rielly and Kadri (but you would hope for Bozak instead of Kadri)

Tool enough to tank?
- Woderwick

I think we have the guy for the job then..

Also could never win a cup .. those types of players are not winners
- senstroll

are you twisting words again?

Seabrook is not your average D

The guy is top 10 in the world at his position....no?
- Garnie

i said that he is above mid range.

hes a legit #2 d man.

Something that I've been mulling over for a few years:

The last time a Canadian team won a cup was 1993.

Statistically speaking, that's a huge anomaly.

It's fun for other fan bases to crap on the Leafs and their horrendous drought, but the Habs haven't been back to the finals since '93, the Oilers have been back once, the Flames once, the Canucks once, the Jets never and the Sens once.

And there's no way in hell the 0 for Canada streak is ending this year.

There's something fundamentally wrong with Canadian teams. And I can't put my finger on what it is, but my closest guess is that it has to do with the negativity that permeates the teams when things are going badly.

The press and the fans.

I'm open to further theories.
- Atomic Wedgie

the limelight isnt as bright is some American cities... that's exactly what it is.

Something that I've been mulling over for a few years:

The last time a Canadian team won a cup was 1993.

Statistically speaking, that's a huge anomaly.

It's fun for other fan bases to crap on the Leafs and their horrendous drought, but the Habs haven't been back to the finals since '93, the Oilers have been back once, the Flames once, the Canucks once, the Jets never and the Sens once.

And there's no way in hell the 0 for Canada streak is ending this year.

There's something fundamentally wrong with Canadian teams. And I can't put my finger on what it is, but my closest guess is that it has to do with the negativity that permeates the teams when things are going badly.

The press and the fans.

I'm open to further theories.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would take it a step further. management is constantly pressured to win so sometimes they aren't allowed to just do their job and build a good team.

Even with time though GM's still fail. See: Florida Panthers.

i said that he is above mid range.

hes a legit #2 d man.
- Lucas Neilson

How many legit #1's are there in the NHL... LEGIT, NO QUESTIONS.

i would hope the leafs could get more. Skinner has been very underwhelming and injury prone...is the first this year?...
- Lee Denault

figure skater with concussion problems

- burn

Kadri gets another chance at it.

You nervous? Because the poop winds are ready to stir for your boy.

That's partly due to Nonis not having any balls to make a trade with a little risk.

I give credit to Burke for recognizing some of his mistakes and moving them. Beauchemin back to Anaheim, Toskala and Blake traded for nothing. We wouldn't have Lupul or Gardiner.
- Aaron_85

Don't completely poop on Nonis. Immediately after the firing of Burke he made a couple of moves that actually really reinvigorated the team - and I believe those moves were the reason that Kadri is part of the team now.

1) waived Connolly (thank the lord - what was Burke thinking)
2) waived Komisarek (again - thank the lord)

he did make some "gutsy" moves - the move for Bernier which involved giving up some assets and the move for Bolland (which while it was too expensive) was a reasonable gamble.

unfortunately he paid Clarkson about 1M too much.

yeah, it is all about the salary dump.

While I don't necesssarily want Lecavalier or Richards, I do want to get away from Bozak. We would be getting a veteran C who is capable of being a captain. I think both have another year or two in the tank. You could also dump salary to get these guys.

I would love toget RoR but you have to clear better than 6 million in cap and you have to beat other offers. I think you are looking at Kadri + Gardiner at a minimum. To beat other offers you probably have to include Rielly and Kadri (but you would hope for Bozak instead of Kadri)
- Aetherial

Vinny isn't coming to Canada. Said so himself. I believe he has a NMC as well.

Richards, the guy who was bought out from the Rangers? He doesn't have the ability to lead a team.

I'd prefer a move for a guy like Callahan. I thought the signing wasn't good but he's proven me wrong.

i said that he is above mid range.

hes a legit #2 d man.
- Lucas Neilson

I'd say he's doing fine as #1 in Chicago

Top 4 in Canada ( Olympic Team )

I don't want to argue about it, just my opinion.

How many legit #1's are there in the NHL... LEGIT, NO QUESTIONS.
- bixll

Technically, there should be 30.

St. Louis has about 3 of them

Something that I've been mulling over for a few years:

The last time a Canadian team won a cup was 1993.

Statistically speaking, that's a huge anomaly.

It's fun for other fan bases to crap on the Leafs and their horrendous drought, but the Habs haven't been back to the finals since '93, the Oilers have been back once, the Flames once, the Canucks once, the Jets never and the Sens once.

And there's no way in hell the 0 for Canada streak is ending this year.

There's something fundamentally wrong with Canadian teams. And I can't put my finger on what it is, but my closest guess is that it has to do with the negativity that permeates the teams when things are going badly.

The press and the fans.

I'm open to further theories.
- Atomic Wedgie

Earlier in the year I was thinking the same thing. I think the constant pressure and negativity wears on the players.

Also, who are the big stars on Canadian teams. There is Subban, Pacioretty Price, Kessel, Karlsson, The Sedins (sort of) and the young Edmonton guns who aren't living up to their draft position.

That is like 8 or 9 stars for 7 teams...

There is not a lot of talent on Canadian teams. I think there may be something to the idea that players would rather play in the U.S. better climate in some cities, better taxes, less pressure...

Vinny isn't coming to Canada. Said so himself. I believe he has a NMC as well.

Richards*, the guy who was bought out from the Rangers? He doesn't have the ability to lead a team.

I'd prefer a move for a guy like Callahan**. I thought the signing wasn't good but he's proven me wrong.
- Aaron_85

* No, Mike, the 4th line C in LA

**Yeah, Mitch Callahan

Let's get tougher if we are tanking anyway

Peter Horachek is a tool. You guys better hope they find a replacement Asap
- pred_26

I read Horachek coached the Panthers to a number 1 draft pick in the 2nd half of last season. Hopefully he can repeat that success for the Leafs this season.

How many legit #1's are there in the NHL... LEGIT, NO QUESTIONS.
- bixll

30?

legit #1's is a tough one but guys that id like to have:

weber
keith
doughty

Don't completely poop on Nonis. Immediately after the firing of Burke he made a couple of moves that actually really reinvigorated the team - and I believe those moves were the reason that Kadri is part of the team now.

1) waived Connolly (thank the lord - what was Burke thinking)
2) waived Komisarek (again - thank the lord)

he did make some "gutsy" moves - the move for Bernier which involved giving up some assets and the move for Bolland (which while it was too expensive) was a reasonable gamble.

unfortunately he paid Clarkson about 1M too much.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I'd say that he should have bought out Liles instead of trade for Gleason, used a regular buyout on Komi, and not bought out Grabo.

Clarkson is overpaid by at least half his salary given what he brings.

Technically, there should be 30.

St. Louis has about 3 of them
- lumlums

I understand that, but how man guys are good enough to be called a #1D.

Don't completely poop on Nonis. Immediately after the firing of Burke he made a couple of moves that actually really reinvigorated the team - and I believe those moves were the reason that Kadri is part of the team now.

1) waived Connolly (thank the lord - what was Burke thinking)
2) waived Komisarek (again - thank the lord)

he did make some "gutsy" moves - the move for Bernier which involved giving up some assets and the move for Bolland (which while it was too expensive) was a reasonable gamble.

unfortunately he paid Clarkson about 1M too much.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I agree with those moves. They were good moves. However they were also no brainers and no real risk to making them.

He didn't make moves in Vancouver and I doubt he'll be gutsy come this deadline. I doubt Nonis makes the trade for Kessel that Burke did. He couldn't handle the backlash Burke got.

I'd say he's doing fine as #1 in Chicago

Top 4 in Canada ( Olympic Team )

I don't want to argue about it, just my opinion.
- Garnie

hes not a #1 in Chicago though

Keith is.

Seabrook is a top pairing D man i can 100% agree on that.

I'd say he's doing fine as #1 in Chicago

Top 4 in Canada ( Olympic Team )

I don't want to argue about it, just my opinion.
- Garnie

You think Seabrook is the #1 over there? I'm pretty sure Keith is, no?

Kessel is a top end scoring talent.. period.. nobody can argue this.

but he isnt a core guy.. he is the type you line up with a core guy to augment his play.

can you imagine what kessel could do with a center like E Staal or Getzlaf?

it would be nuts.
- Dozzer

You put way too much stock in Staal. Outside of the shortened season, he hasn't been PPG since 07/08... And it's not like he's a defensive beast.

Vinny isn't coming to Canada. Said so himself. I believe he has a NMC as well.

Richards, the guy who was bought out from the Rangers? He doesn't have the ability to lead a team.

I'd prefer a move for a guy like Callahan. I thought the signing wasn't good but he's proven me wrong.
- Aaron_85

Don't think you could get Callahan.
I meant Mike Richards who I think could still be a pretty useful piece for the Leafs.

hes not a #1 in Chicago though

Keith is.

Seabrook is a top pairing D man i can 100% agree on that.
- Lucas Neilson

beat me by 3 seconds