Promise to place the headlines from the Sun: LEAFS WIN!!! on my headstone Dozzer.
- Woderwick

oh.. its all about you is it?

it amazes me how many people talk about things that'll never happen
- the_eye

sigh.. i know

*grumbles*

well how many top pairing D men do fight these days?
- drexel

Gio from time to time....

Not sure it has to be a total tank... Trading Dion for a pick and defensive d man isn't going to make the Leafs fall to last, not would trading Lupul, he's injured often anyway... They can make moves and still compete, I'd wager just ridding themselves of these lazy players alone would actually make them harder to play against, don't have to have big names to work hard...
- aminnes

I know it's tough to compare different sports, but the Raptors pulled a complete 180 by trading away one lazy all-star player for a bunch of hardworking scrubs.

Teams not clipping along right now but they are not in the season is lost category. Still have a shot at making the playoffs if they play some consistent hockey...7-3-2 in the last 12 or something like that
- DDM-Coga

landeskog and oreilly in my pool - ive been happy they have started to turn it around!

just sayin; if losses pile up over years changes will happen.

I think youre starting to get mine.

People here need to stop defending the player they have on their jersey they bought. I have a gardiner jersey. Youll never see me defend him
- Lee Denault

i have 2 jerseys... Gilmour and Sundin

I understand the Edmonton arguement, but you team has serious holes also. I believe a deal could be there.

Would it be an easy one to make, no, probably not for either team. I think the cost would be a nasty surprise for most Leafs fans, but I could see a posisbility.

... I also doubt it ever happens.
- Aetherial

Lots of holes but Duchene is a true number 1 and MacK is in no mans land right now. He is being shift to RW and really is dangerous once he plays with a responsible Center like ROR or Stastny last year...I think make is our RW long term

ROR is the guy that could be moved if anything

I think youre starting to get mine.

People here need to stop defending the player they have on their jersey they bought. I have a gardiner jersey. Youll never see me defend him
- Lee Denault

Sorry to hear that man...

If that is the approach, then yeah, they need to Sabres-tank. That means Kessel, Phaneuf, JVR ... literally everyone of any value.
- Aetherial

Guys, guys.....the leafs will not be tanking anytime soon.
Dont set yourself up for disappointment.
There will not be fire sale....unless they are moving one quality player for another.

Kessel + Nylander+Percy +some picks for Toews. Done!

But seriousl...they wont be dumping a bunch of "talent" for picks

like who!??!?!?

name one time they maintained a drafting philosophy while playing youth with near the end vets for lets say.... 5 years straight?

they havent.
- Dozzer

Never have and never will.

Look at how many high picks they've had over the years and nothing has changed. Leafs fans (I don't even mean you, everyone in here is talking tank) are always looking for the easy fix but it's just not realistic to think that tanking is all they need to do to improve themselves.

I don't know if Shanahan is on the right path but maybe he is. We'll find out.
- daeth

Leafs.. High picks? Reilly and kadri have been good.

Not everyone turns into toews. Thats nit the way it works

Gio from time to time....
- aminnes

I dont think he needs to fight, but he could at least grief the poop outta the other teams better players.

sigh.. i know

*grumbles*


- Dozzer

Great movie.

Look at how Detroit builds. That is what Toronto should be trying to model themselves after. You don't need to tank to get good, you just need to consistently draft well and develop your players properly while avoiding terrible contracts.
- daeth

It's the perfect year to tank...the absolute perfect year for it. We've already seen enough of this lot to know it ain't happening. Embrace it, but please cheer for wins to ensure we get what we want...more losses.

Leafs.. High picks? Reilly and kadri have been good.

Not everyone turns into toews. Thats nit the way it works
- Lee Denault

Exactly, which is why tanking for the sake of tanking is stupid.

Guys, guys.....the leafs will not be tanking anytime soon.
Dont set yourself up for disappointment.
There will not be fire sale....unless they are moving one quality player for another.

Kessel + Nylander+Percy +some picks for Toews. Done!

But seriousl...they wont be dumping a bunch of "talent" for picks
- Fakepartofme

I think they may be tanking right now without even trying.

Sorry to hear that man...
- aminnes

Hes being tsken off. Gilmour is going on and ill be done with it

Just need to get harder to play against. Look at Calgary blue collar lunch box group with size and effort. Thats all you can ask win or lose.
- Bigzby

Throw in a few Leaf castoffs in Cow town as well, and they won't make the playoffs, but they are developing a culture of hard working hockey, thats the start of a true rebuild...

oh.. its all about you is it?
- Dozzer

like who!??!?!?

name one time they maintained a drafting philosophy while playing youth with near the end vets for lets say.... 5 years straight?

they havent.
- Dozzer

the leafs have a ridiculous number of top 10 picks on their team and it's not helping much

I think youre starting to get mine.

People here need to stop defending the player they have on their jersey they bought. I have a gardiner jersey. Youll never see me defend him
- Lee Denault

that has nothing to do with a dion jersey

ive liked dion since he was on the jr team and he was a beast in calgary

hes had some good moments in TO

but like i said, he's lost his nasty edge i feel and he should be the FIRST guy to stand up for his teammates, and himself.

ive had many a leaf jerseys over the years and il never defend the player just cause i own there jersey thats just sheer crazy talk!

landeskog and oreilly in my pool - ive been happy they have started to turn it around!

just sayin; if losses pile up over years changes will happen.
- Lucas Neilson

Im torn on this team right now. If they some how sneak into the playoffs this just will reaffirm Roys and Sakics blunders with extending Cliché, Guenin, Holden, McLeod, Stuart. These guys are part fo the problem not the solution and should not be anywhere near an NHL roster

If they go into the toilet then he will have to look at getting rid of these garbage can.

I know it's tough to compare different sports, but the Raptors pulled a complete 180 by trading away one lazy all-star player for a bunch of hardworking scrubs.
- 1979AD

Ya, they were talking about Phil being the Rudy Gay for the Leafs on TSN yesterday, I wouldn't go that far, but he would obviously fetch a good return in trade...

It's the perfect year to tank...the absolute perfect year for it. We've already seen enough of this lot to know it ain't happening. Embrace it, but please cheer for wins to ensure we get what we want...more losses.
- Woderwick

with buffalo and carolina in this league good luck. you're not getting a top 2 pick

Throw in a few Leaf castoffs in Cow town as well, and they won't make the playoffs, but they are developing a culture of hard working hockey, thats the start of a true rebuild...
- aminnes

No argument from me.