Exactly.

Blaming Kessel for not being a leader is like blaming Bozak for not being a true number 1 center.
- stormey

I never said i blamed him for not being a leader. I just said he is a bit of a tool and not the best teammate. There are lots of guys like that in the NHL and it's not like he's a terrible teammate...but he is a terrible leader.

My comment was in response to someone saying 'he's just quiet'.

This is absolutely correct.

For those of us old enough to remember the early 90s runs, Toronto was THE place to play hockey.

There was a 4X4 - I want to say it was a Ford - that actually had a "Felix Potvin Edition."

I poop you not - a Felix Potvin Edition to a truck. And people bought it.

I've always maintained this: the Leafs need to get good before they can get great. They need to win a couple of playoff series, and have the fans go ape-poop.

Then players will want to start playing here again.
- Atomic Wedgie

Same with the raptors. Alot of crap about players not wanting to play in canada.... Well tgey do now. Why? Because they are racking up W's

Well now I want a drink you bastard.
- lumlums

just drink the coke.

Well now I want a drink you bastard.
- lumlums

Yeah.

I'm to blame for that.

Air Jordan on waivers.
- burn

Michal Jordan?

Anyone else?

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 1m1 minute ago

Carter Ashton cleared waivers. @jonasTSN1050 reported they wouldn't send him down so who knows what's next.


TRADES!!!!!

I never said i blamed him for not being a leader. I just said he is a bit of a tool and not the best teammate. There are lots of guys like that in the NHL and it's not like he's a terrible teammate...but he is a terrible leader.

My comment was in response to someone saying 'he's just quiet'.
- clark_griswold

You have inside knowledge of this?

just drink the coke.
- burn

For real?

Wow.






In other news, what if Babcock signs an extension in Detroit? Who would the Leafs hire if that happened?
- Pecafan Fan

Your mom!

uh, no wait.

The Walrus.

Maclean or Hunter would be my bet.
- Feeling Glucky?

Would ottawa give the leafs permission to talk to him?

I would think not but Melnak is a cheap owner and if it save them some $$$ it might be a yes.

Were passed 5 years though.. Kessel has been here for what 6-7 years now? Same with Dion?

Its not working
- Lee Denault

I agree that overpaying mediocre talent to surround kessel is not working.. but now the leafs are locked into bad contracts for players hitting 30 and will start to slide down ... this cant be undone easily

Michal Jordan?

Anyone else?
- BINGO!

boychuk

Sigh.

I'm going to try to explain this to you one more time, Clarkie, in the simplest form possible:

If you are trying to make a rum and coke, and you don't have any rum, you don't help your cause by pouring the coke down the drain.

Hang on to the coke. Go out and get yourself some rum.

If you can't understand that, I'm afraid I can't help you.
- Atomic Wedgie

I get what you are saying. Im not blaming him. IN fact, i heard a few different analysts yesterday use the 'kessel to kane comparison'. I've been using that for years with Phil. I'm just saying he's a bit of a douche. Lots of guys are. He's not the sole problem, but with the cap situation etc. unfortunately we can't add the leaders necessary. Hence, he is the problem indirectly.

This is absolutely correct.

For those of us old enough to remember the early 90s runs, Toronto was THE place to play hockey.

There was a 4X4 - I want to say it was a Ford - that actually had a "Felix Potvin Edition."

I poop you not - a Felix Potvin Edition to a truck. And people bought it.

I've always maintained this: the Leafs need to get good before they can get great. They need to win a couple of playoff series, and have the fans go ape-poop.

Then players will want to start playing here again.
- Atomic Wedgie

was it
















TRUCK OF THE YEAR?!

I never said i blamed him for not being a leader. I just said he is a bit of a tool and not the best teammate. There are lots of guys like that in the NHL and it's not like he's a terrible teammate...but he is a terrible leader.

My comment was in response to someone saying 'he's just quiet'.
- clark_griswold

I've never heard any player say bad things about Kessel, with the exception of Jack "where did my money go" Johnson before he was drafted...

I agree that overpaying mediocre talent to surround kessel is not working.. but now the leafs are locked into bad contracts for players hitting 30 and will start to slide down ... this cant be undone easily
- senstroll

it's going to be brutal. No one is tradeable at this point unless you want to bend over and grab your ankles.

Shanahan took over in the summer... I get that fans want changes... but havent we seen enough knee jerk moves and reactions to bad analyses or player evaluation?

if you didnt know righting this ship was a 3-5 year operation..you had your head in the sand
- senstroll

3 years of collapses and flirting with a 4th. There is nothing 'knee jerk' about it

boychuk
- burn

Not surprising. Trades be coming.

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 1m1 minute ago

Carter Ashton cleared waivers. @jonasTSN1050 reported they wouldn't send him down so who knows what's next.


TRADES!!!!!
- lumlums

terminate contract... open a roster spot.

I get what you are saying. Im not blaming him. IN fact, i heard a few different analysts yesterday use the 'kessel to kane comparison'. I've been using that for years with Phil. I'm just saying he's a bit of a douche. Lots of guys are. He's not the sole problem, but with the cap situation etc. unfortunately we can't add the leaders necessary. Hence, he is the problem indirectly.
- clark_griswold

It's Phil's problem that Nonis isn't doing HIS job?

was it



TRUCK OF THE YEAR?!
- Sammich

I agree that overpaying mediocre talent to surround kessel is not working.. but now the leafs are locked into bad contracts for players hitting 30 and will start to slide down ... this cant be undone easily
- senstroll

But it has to be. Management has to get out of it. This is why they get paid

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 1m1 minute ago

Carter Ashton cleared waivers. @jonasTSN1050 reported they wouldn't send him down so who knows what's next.


TRADES!!!!!
- lumlums

really! leafs' website has no mentioned of him being put on waiver nor does TSN.

crosby goes cold too

phil is right

what he is supposed to do, telekenisis the puck into the net?!
- Lucas Neilson

Back check? Be a leader? Block a shot? Provide an outlet for the D? Hit someone? Take a hit even?

I never said i blamed him for not being a leader. I just said he is a bit of a tool and not the best teammate. There are lots of guys like that in the NHL and it's not like he's a terrible teammate...but he is a terrible leader.

My comment was in response to someone saying 'he's just quiet'.
- clark_griswold

I really dont know how you can speak to that...unless you now him personally.

His teamates say he is a great guy,... but that hold no value?