Does Hextall Fire Berube during season or let him ride it out.
It may not be a bad idea to let new coach get a feel for some players going into next year.
I would like to see DeBoer or Paul Maclean
- 3flyerkids

No. My luck is they would start to actually play better and get us a mid draft pick instead of the top 5 it appears we are going. Dont screw that up!

Morin has not looked that good IMO. He is a seventh Dman and I just don't see him being NHL ready next year if he can't even crack the starting lineup of 20 year olds. It may take him a couple years...unless his injury has really set him back.
Lindblom has looked very good for Sweden, could be a 4th round steal
- 3flyerkids

Different circumstances but Giroux couldn't make the Olympic team despite being a great player. I'm not going to label Morin anything from the WJC results.

Coburn to Edm for Pitt's 1st.

Please let it happen.
- hereticpride

on a related note, how is david perron worth a first round pick? looks to me like he's a 40 point/year guy.....am i missing something? and if he is fetching a first, them surely matt read can fetch a second, right?

That going rate will be about $3M to $3.5M, absolutely for two seasons and possibly for a third. I don't like the cost but that's the reality because the market on defensemen is way out of whack.
- bmeltzer

The problem with that is you already have guys like him signed that you've hitched your wagon too....if you could move two of Grossmann, Coburn, Schenn or Macdonald then I think you offer a two year deal....three makes him unmovable if he struggles again....and the fFlyers have enough of them.

Might as well just keep Grossmann and Schenn and wave goodbye to Schultz then.
- Tomahawk

Yea Schultz is prob our best trade chip, maybe coburn. Sell sell sell

Does Hextall Fire Berube during season or let him ride it out.
It may not be a bad idea to let new coach get a feel for some players going into next year.
I would like to see DeBoer or Paul Maclean
- 3flyerkids

I'd fire him now, replace him with a clear interim tasked w/ strict developmental goals, then go through the process of finding a real replacement in the summer.

There's a few guys out there that are attractive. I'd wait for awhile, and even then, would probably promote Murray as interim, then find a permanent guy in spring
- Jsaquella

Berube was not Hextall's hire. I would hope he has an idea of what type of coach he would like to put into place. DeBoer really hasn't had the chance to coach a team with legit guys who can score ( G and Jake). He has experience in the East coaching teams that played D first since they were not offensive teams and he managed to get to a Cup.

on a related note, how is david perron worth a first round pick? looks to me like he's a 40 point/year guy.....am i missing something? and if he is fetching a first, them surely matt read can fetch a second, right?
- hogweed

He put up 28 goals last year. Had some off season surgery and struggled to start the season. With an aßist machine like Crosby he'll be a great addition for them.

Read could possibly get a late 2nd. Perron was just struggling to generate points whereas Read firmly seems to have his head up his rear end.

As I see it, the Flyers have a choice. They can continue to run with the current defense, which we know isn't good enough, or sell pieces off, find a solid guy or two in free agency on a short term deal, and continue to develop the kids.

Due to Holmgren's short sighted deal for MacDonald, the Flyers don't have a second rounder. They need more picks to continue restocking the system. I can't agree with anyone who feels the Flyers can't replace 3 or 4 of their current top six with similar options.

I'm looking at 2-3 years. If that means a couple down years, so be it.
- Jsaquella

Agree 100%

I'd fire him now, replace him with a clear interim tasked w/ strict developmental goals, then go through the process of finding a real replacement in the summer.
- Tomahawk

seriously... if the idea of keeping guys like ghost down in the minors was "development" then why have a guy perceivably stunting the growth of your young guys who are on the big squad?

Yup, unless Holmgren or a placeholder like Paddock is willing to coach out the string, you roll with Berube til April and then bring in your guy.
- BiggE

Here's my first prediction for 2015..... Berube will be fired tonight. Replaced by Murray.

Berube was not Hextall's hire. I would hope he has an idea of what type of coach he would like to put into place. DeBoer really hasn't had the chance to coach a team with legit guys who can score ( G and Jake). He has experience in the East coaching teams that played D first since they were not offensive teams and he managed to get to a Cup.
- 3flyerkids

i didnt think much of that devils blueline he squeezed a finals appearance out of.

Berube was not Hextall's hire. I would hope he has an idea of what type of coach he would like to put into place. DeBoer really hasn't had the chance to coach a team with legit guys who can score ( G and Jake). He has experience in the East coaching teams that played D first since they were not offensive teams and he managed to get to a Cup.
- 3flyerkids

DeBoer is my choice. My only concern is how much of a hand he had in handling Larsson. Because he's been handled terribly. With a bunch of young D men in our system I find that a little concerning.

System wise I think he coaches a very strong game.

Different circumstances but Giroux couldn't make the Olympic team despite being a great player. I'm not going to label Morin anything from the WJC results.
- hereticpride

Giroux not making Olympic team was pure BS. Mrs Crosby's input was key into that decision

You want plodding dmen, we got em!
Need a pp qb? Mark Streit says hello!
We also have a special going on overpriced vet forwards on long term deals: Buy one, get the 2nd one FREE!!

So come on down to Flyertown, just ask for Ron!

Remember, all players must go!!!!!!
- BiggE

If a "Homer" answer's please hang up, & call back later.

i didnt think much of that devils blueline he squeezed a finals appearance out of.
- JoeRussomanno

Exactly, that's why I think they should give him a shot.

Coburn
Schultz
Read
Rinaldo
Emery

I'd be trying like hell to move these guys for picks. Anything you can get within reason. I badly want to include AMac in that list, I just don't see it happening though.

on a related note, how is david perron worth a first round pick? looks to me like he's a 40 point/year guy.....am i missing something? and if he is fetching a first, them surely matt read can fetch a second, right?
- hogweed

Perron isn't a 40 point player, he has more skill than that.

Trade Schultz and one of grossman or coburn.

3 to 3.5 per season? If so, I trade him around the TDL, tell him we'd love to have him back next year, see what sort of competition there is for his services, then sign him for around 2 to 2.5 per.

You know, when I get the GM job.
- wolfhounds

Yes... per season. That's the nature of today's UFA defenseman market, where even the Deryk Engellands of the NHL command close to $3M per season on a 3-year deal.

The benchmark for a Brooks Orpik type became the $5.5M cap hit he gt on a five-year and Matt Niskanen cashed in one big season for a $5.75M on a seven-year, frontloaded deal. Meanwhile, it cost the Flyers a $5M cap hit on a six-year term to get Andrew MacDonald to pre-empt his UFA status rather than getting, say $5.15M or $5.2M on the open market.

This goes on leaguewide. It's not just the Flyers. The Flyers, unfortunately, put themselves in a position where virtually their entire defense had to be brought it from the outside and they are all now veterans (i.e., inflated salaries) yet none are bonafide top-pairing players.

Trade Schultz and one of grossman or coburn.
- Just5

And replace them with whom and at what cost? Therein lies Hextall's problem.

And replace them with whom and at what cost? Therein lies Hextall's problem.
- bmeltzer

Hanafin and Ghost.

And replace them with whom and at what cost? Therein lies Hextall's problem.
- bmeltzer

Sign another couple of leftovers in August again... if they don't work out, sign another couple.

DeBoer is my choice. My only concern is how much of a hand he had in handling Larsson. Because he's been handled terribly. With a bunch of young D men in our system I find that a little concerning.

System wise I think he coaches a very strong game.
- hereticpride

I really like him, too. Supposedly he was quick to pull the plug on kids like Larsson, tho.

I wonder what sort of two for one value you can get out of the Schenns? Its probably ugly but I would listen to offers...