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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...st-pay-for-trade-1.399739
- cap1681

Oh. My. God.

I'm not talking about making Comrie pay either, I can't believe he was offered that package and turned it down.

Hindsight.

This was posted in the main thread.........

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...st-pay-for-trade-1.399739
- cap1681

Holy crap haha Comrie for a MVP/Rocket Richard will net lol. It just goes to show you don't really know squat until it it obvious

I love how Megan got sent down and Farnham comes up and has an instant impact. Players like Megna should never be an NHL option. Without Farnham and Downie we lose that game last night.
- Grinder47

Please stop. You have no real insights. Farnham brings no skill and stupidity... his skating and stick handling are terrible. He should not be called up at all.

This was posted in the main thread.........

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...st-pay-for-trade-1.399739
- cap1681

wow...

its interesting to see in this page and others what people consider fair value for hall and how different players are seen by different people. I wouldnt trade maatta straight up for hall as I see top pairing potential out of him, top 30 d in the league potential and that is more valuable than a top winger. i.e. edm has a top winger, no top d and is in trouble. I wouldnt trade pouliot stright up for kane... I', thinking a james neal clone who cant crack the top 6 on a bad team. but I would trade dp in a package for hall, along with sutter, a 1st etc. yet i see people on threads saying they would rather kane than hall. makes ones head spin

its interesting to see in this page and others what people consider fair value for hall and how different players are seen by different people. I wouldnt trade maatta straight up for hall as I see top pairing potential out of him, top 30 d in the league potential and that is more valuable than a top winger. i.e. edm has a top winger, no top d and is in trouble. I wouldnt trade pouliot stright up for kane... I', thinking a james neal clone who cant crack the top 6 on a bad team. but I would trade dp in a package for hall, along with sutter, a 1st etc. yet i see people on threads saying they would rather kane than hall. makes ones head spin
- ChrisMS

First, Hall is way better than Kane. Kane is overhyped by the fact that he can fight, imo.

Secondly, even if Maatta for Hall was somehow overpayment on our part, I'd be fine "losing that trade" and keeping the other 9 solid defenseman we have. My point is, I think long term the team would be better off with Hall than Maatta. Maatta can't be "replaced", but its back to that whole....dropoff from Maatta compared to the increase from Hall. For me, what Hall would do for Sid throughout the remainder of his career would be worth it. Having the best version of Sid and Geno is priority number one.

The only legitimate debate with Hall, in my humble opinion, is whether or not he can stay healthy. But Maatta doesnt exactly look like he's free from the injury bug himself.

I said by the end of next year. If he gets top 4 like he will, put on even more muscle this offseason and continues to play hockey like he is now in the ahl (points won't be the same at all) then I would rather have a 21 year old Letang copy in pouliot over a 24 year old winger who costs way too much for us to even afford in the first place, especially one who is being labeled as lazy and "ovechkin west". He is also made of glass and soft, no thanks. Sid and geno don't need eliter wingers to put up 100 point seasons and win all the awards, they already do that. We need depth at forward. For Halls contract we can have two solid young guys who can actually play some playoff hockey all the while putting up big points with our all star centers.

Getting rid of sutter is the dumbest idea pens fans have. Goc is NOT a third center, he is a 4th like he is when the team is healthy. Maybe next year we can get rid of sutter at the deadline, unless we can resign him with the cap going up
- znagle

Agreed .2 solid forwards at half the price is nice. Sutter has played well and can step up when there are injuries and goc is a 4c.

First, Hall is way better than Kane. Kane is overhyped by the fact that he can fight, imo.

Secondly, even if Maatta for Hall was somehow overpayment on our part, I'd be fine "losing that trade" and keeping the other 9 solid defenseman we have. My point is, I think long term the team would be better off with Hall than Maatta. Maatta can't be "replaced", but its back to that whole....dropoff from Maatta compared to the increase from Hall. For me, what Hall would do for Sid throughout the remainder of his career would be worth it. Having the best version of Sid and Geno is priority number one.

The only legitimate debate with Hall, in my humble opinion, is whether or not he can stay healthy. But Maatta doesnt exactly look like he's free from the injury bug himself.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

for fun I'd try to move scuds for vinny. theres your 3rd line center replacement.
hall has proven to be a star... but not a superstar. he is a complementory piece. maatta has already drawn, premature maybe, comparisons to a young lidstrom. he's 19 and playing, granted when healthy, top pairing minutes on a contender! thats wow wow. dp is still an unknown at the nhl level. maatta for hall straight up mught be a short term win for the pens... but i believe would be a loss long term. i'd move dp, sutter, 1st and maybe a second piece... then look for a third line center at the deadline. pens could survive that deal. when you find a maatta, you hold on to him.

First, Hall is way better than Kane. Kane is overhyped by the fact that he can fight, imo.

Secondly, even if Maatta for Hall was somehow overpayment on our part, I'd be fine "losing that trade" and keeping the other 9 solid defenseman we have. My point is, I think long term the team would be better off with Hall than Maatta. Maatta can't be "replaced", but its back to that whole....dropoff from Maatta compared to the increase from Hall. For me, what Hall would do for Sid throughout the remainder of his career would be worth it. Having the best version of Sid and Geno is priority number one.

The only legitimate debate with Hall, in my humble opinion, is whether or not he can stay healthy. But Maatta doesnt exactly look like he's free from the injury bug himself.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't see where ANY team is going to field offers regarding Maatta for awhile. Hes now "injury prone" by most's definition. Change this into Pouliot for Hall, and get the best of both worlds.

Please stop. You have no real insights. Farnham brings no skill and stupidity... his skating and stick handling are terrible. He should not be called up at all.
- nh4442

I understand Megna is your friend or something, I would root for my friend too. However Megna is a slower version of Joe Vitale. People talk about Sill, Megna doesn't have much better numbers and a lot of his time came playing second line minutes with Malkin. The other team never even noticed Megna was playing. I think everyone notices when Farnham is on the ice.

I think it's time for Bennett to change his jersey number. Go back to #78 or something. He needs a fresh start.

I understand Megna is your friend or something, I would root for my friend too. However Megna is a slower version of Joe Vitale. People talk about Sill, Megna doesn't have much better numbers and a lot of his time came playing second line minutes with Malkin. The other team never even noticed Megna was playing. I think everyone notices when Farnham is on the ice.
- Grinder47

i agree with you about megna. I disagree about farnham. he will shortly be a footnote in pens history. injuries have called up lots of nobodies... pierreluthocmckduck or whatever his name was last year, for example. these are not nhl players, they are warm bodies. the nhl game has no use or place for them.

I think it's time for Bennett to change his jersey number. Go back to #78 or something. He needs a fresh start.
- cygnus41

I'm starting to wonder if maybe BB is maybe a good thing. maybe he's like a citronella candle for injuries. if he wasn't here... maybe malkin gets gout, crosby gets alopecia, and maf gets rickets.

i agree with you about megna. I disagree about farnham. he will shortly be a footnote in pens history. injuries have called up lots of nobodies... pierreluthocmckduck or whatever his name was last year, for example. these are not nhl players, they are warm bodies. the nhl game has no use or place for them.
- ChrisMS

Well Sill was a regular pretty much all season. While I don't think he is as terrible as most (pretty much because I disregard all fancy stats) and I don't know how Rust would transition from scoring line ahl'r to a nhl 4th liner, I pretty much am just saying Farnham Rust>Sill Megna.

Well Sill was a regular pretty much all season. While I don't think he is as terrible as most (pretty much because I disregard all fancy stats) and I don't know how Rust would transition from scoring line ahl'r to a nhl 4th liner, I pretty much am just saying Farnham Rust>Sill Megna.
- Grinder47

I agree with you there. but i see morin and adams get traded... borderline nhl'ers and wonder why their arn't more out there. farnham and maybe rust are not nhlers. i'm far from a fancy stat man myself... though I wont poop on their value either, but I'd rather see a dea or zlobin or anyone with potential non-5th ;line talent brought up for a cameo

I understand Megna is your friend or something, I would root for my friend too. However Megna is a slower version of Joe Vitale. People talk about Sill, Megna doesn't have much better numbers and a lot of his time came playing second line minutes with Malkin. The other team never even noticed Megna was playing. I think everyone notices when Farnham is on the ice.
- Grinder47

It's not about that and the fact that you think he is slower than vitale shows that. Farnham brings nothing but stupidity and that's why people know he is on the ice.. you can hit him and he will fight right away to prove something... As for rust yes he is doing better than Megna but no way ebbett sill or farnham are better then megna..

It's not about that and the fact that you think he is slower than vitale shows that. Farnham brings nothing but stupidity and that's why people know he is on the ice.. you can hit him and he will fight right away to prove something... As for rust yes he is doing better than Megna but no way ebbett sill or farnham are better then megna..
- nh4442

there is a disquiteing infatuation with magna on this board. gibbons>rust>sill>farnham>megna. I wish him luck in a long ahl/echl career

It's not about that and the fact that you think he is slower than vitale shows that. Farnham brings nothing but stupidity and that's why people know he is on the ice.. you can hit him and he will fight right away to prove something... As for rust yes he is doing better than Megna but no way ebbett sill or farnham are better then megna..
- nh4442

Considering the state of the Pens injury situation good chance we just might see them all in the lineup at the same time. Martin for Kane......

Oh. My. God.

I'm not talking about making Comrie pay either, I can't believe he was offered that package and turned it down.

Hindsight.
- canadianpenfan

AHAHAHA, thats the funniest thing I've read all day! I get that Perry was just a prospect at the time, but a top F prospect + 1st couldn't get Mike freakin Comrie out of EDM? Goes to show you that the culture hasnt changed there in 10+ years. None of the players from EDM will be dealt. It's amazing that the poor citizens of EDM pay so much for crap. They should boycott.

AHAHAHA, thats the funniest thing I've read all day! I get that Perry was just a prospect at the time, but a top F prospect + 1st couldn't get Mike freakin Comrie out of EDM? Goes to show you that the culture hasnt changed there in 10+ years. None of the players from EDM will be dealt. It's amazing that the poor citizens of EDM pay so much for crap. They should boycott.
- sammy87

I feel the same way. I don't think anybody gets moved from that team.....that's why I think it's silly to discuss a high end player like Hall. They'll be looking for a serious over-payment and that's not going to happen.

If any team needs to completely flush their entire management staff, it's the Oil. There's an old corporate saying that fits that situation to a T. "Those who create the mess are incapable of fixing it".

I don't see where ANY team is going to field offers regarding Maatta for awhile. Hes now "injury prone" by most's definition. Change this into Pouliot for Hall, and get the best of both worlds.
- Guile

I dont know, complete hypothetcial, if we Taylor Hall fell to us in the draft instead of Maatta, who would you rather have right now? And who would you rather have long term? I say Hall given the teams needs. Maatta is a luxury. A really, freaking awesome, potential star...but a luxury compared to the extreme need for Hall.

That's why I'd do the trade, and rather do something like that than sell off 1st, Pouliot, and Sutter whatever to get Hall. I don't see this ever happening anyway..but I think the latter would be too many premium assets for 1 player.

I dont know, complete hypothetcial, if we Taylor Hall fell to us in the draft instead of Maatta, who would you rather have right now? And who would you rather have long term? I say Hall given the teams needs. Maatta is a luxury. A really, freaking awesome, potential star...but a luxury compared to the extreme need for Hall.

That's why I'd do the trade, and rather do something like that than sell off 1st, Pouliot, and Sutter whatever to get Hall. I don't see this ever happening anyway..but I think the latter would be too many premium assets for 1 player.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

i would take maatta minus a leg over hall... no comparoison. hall is a luxury. not maatta. duh

I dont know, complete hypothetcial, if we Taylor Hall fell to us in the draft instead of Maatta, who would you rather have right now? And who would you rather have long term? I say Hall given the teams needs. Maatta is a luxury. A really, freaking awesome, potential star...but a luxury compared to the extreme need for Hall.

That's why I'd do the trade, and rather do something like that than sell off 1st, Pouliot, and Sutter whatever to get Hall. I don't see this ever happening anyway..but I think the latter would be too many premium assets for 1 player.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Hypothetically I would take Hall over Maatta without hesitation.

I agree with you there. but i see morin and adams get traded... borderline nhl'ers and wonder why their arn't more out there. farnham and maybe rust are not nhlers. i'm far from a fancy stat man myself... though I wont poop on their value either, but I'd rather see a dea or zlobin or anyone with potential non-5th ;line talent brought up for a cameo
- ChrisMS

Zlobin is hurt and has never been consistent with the exception of last years playoffs he wasn't noticed. Dea has done nothing to justify an nhl mention especially over rust

Zlobin is hurt and has never been consistent with the exception of last years playoffs he wasn't noticed. Dea has done nothing to justify an nhl mention especially over rust
- Reverend Killtaker

I think what Chris is really trying to say is he wishes we actually had forwards with NHL top 6 upside in the farm system. Yes, I would prefer guys like Dea and Zlobin get a shot with the big club....but we are talking about what we want Dea and Zlobin to be...not what they really are, which is minor league top 6 forwards.