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Kinggilmour
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: tecumseh, ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Dec 15 @ 1:51 PM ET
I don't know whether to laugh, or feel sorry for you.

It's They're! It's conjunction of They and Are

Much like, it's You're... a conjunction of You and Are.

It's not "Your an idiot" or "Their idiots" it is "You're an idiot" and "They're idiots".

This is stuff you are supposed to learn in the third grade. But besides that, Tanner is an idiot.

- BruHAWK


No actually...it's their as in owning.....their first round pick....I guess you're not yet in the third grade.
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Dec 15 @ 1:54 PM ET
From the University of NHL Analytics:

No team is capable of possessing good shooters and good goalies. All PDOs will one day revert to 1. You could comprise an entire team of Crosbys, Webers and Prices and over time the combination of their shooting % + save % will not exceed 1.
BruHAWK
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.27.2007

Dec 15 @ 1:55 PM ET
No actually...it's their as in owning.....their first round pick....I guess you're not yet in the third grade.
- Kinggilmour


I'm 99% convinced you're trolling... but that 1% has me very concerned about any notion that you have of procreating.
Zupes
San Jose Sharks
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 09.02.2012

Dec 15 @ 1:59 PM ET
Yandle- not an elite #1 D
Hanzal- not an elite #1 C
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Dec 15 @ 2:00 PM ET
Considering the east is abysmal and they're one of the teams not actively trying to lose, yes I'd say they make the playoffs by default this year.
- Springsteen


You realize they've gotten 6 points vs Det and LA in their past 3 games, right? Which one of those are the eastern teams trying to lose?
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Dec 15 @ 2:05 PM ET
Their making fun of you, because your not spelling a word right, while calling someone else an idiot
- Colin Dambrauskas


Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rope a Franking Dope!, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 15 @ 2:16 PM ET
No actually...it's their as in owning.....their first round pick....I guess you're not yet in the third grade.
- Kinggilmour



Your Highness - let's take this slowly. He was not making fun of you for misusing the word their. You did not use the word their in you post. He is making fun of you for misusing the word your. You probably wanted to us the word you're - as in you are an idiot.

He made fun of you by purposefully misusing the word their instead of they're - as in they're making fun of you.

Hope this helps.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Woll vs Bob, the great goalie suck-off -Daeth
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 15 @ 2:17 PM ET
From the University of NHL Analytics:

No team is capable of possessing good shooters and good goalies. All PDOs will one day revert to 1. You could comprise an entire team of Crosbys, Webers and Prices and over time the combination of their shooting % + save % will not exceed 1.

- 1979AD


A Significant Sample Size is defined as a sample size where the actual results = advanced-analytics predicted results.

Conversely,

A sample size that does not show this relationship, is not a significant sample size.

drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who's the real Randy?, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 15 @ 3:05 PM ET
Hey MOMO it is THEIR.....is called a pronoun....used to describe something posessive...as in THEIR first round pick......IDIOT....YEY I get to call two people Idiots in one thread.
- Kinggilmour

possessive....
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Dec 15 @ 3:17 PM ET
Your Highness - let's take this slowly. He was not making fun of you for misusing the word their. You did not use the word their in you post. He is making fun of you for misusing the word your. You probably wanted to us the word you're - as in you are an idiot.

He made fun of you by purposefully misusing the word their instead of they're - as in they're making fun of you.

Hope this helps.

- Canada Cup




Normally I couldn't care less to correct people, but I've gotta stand up for my fellow bloggers!
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Dec 15 @ 3:32 PM ET
If the leafs manage to keep the train from going off the tracks in the tail end of the season and make the playoffs I think they have as good as chance as anyone to win the east, outside of maybe TB and Pitts. Playoffs are a crap shoot. No way MTL and NYR were the two best teams in the East last year but they both managed to make it to the conference finals. Had Price not gotten hurt it could of went either way. No Chance they beat the winner out of the west though.
Leafs__Meh_Okay
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.15.2010

Dec 15 @ 3:35 PM ET
From the University of NHL Analytics:

No team is capable of possessing good shooters and good goalies. All PDOs will one day revert to 1. You could comprise an entire team of Crosbys, Webers and Prices and over time the combination of their shooting % + save % will not exceed 1.

- 1979AD


What is the University of NHL Analytics?

That quote is wrong though. If it were true, it would have to be true that all hockey players have the same long-run shooting percentage and all goalies have the same long-run save percentage. Therefore, no player is a better shooter than any other player and no goalie is a better goalie than any other goalie.
bluepulasky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 03.31.2013

Dec 15 @ 3:41 PM ET
If the leafs manage to keep the train from going off the tracks in the tail end of the season and make the playoffs I think they have as good as chance as anyone to win the east, outside of maybe TB and Pitts. Playoffs are a crap shoot. No way MTL and NYR were the two best teams in the East last year but they both managed to make it to the conference finals. Had Price not gotten hurt it could of went either way. No Chance they beat the winner out of the west though.
- HealthyScratch6


This. If the best team always won, there would be no point in playing the game. Winning the cup requires a team to be great--but they also need to get hot at the right time and have some puck luck along the way. I think almost any team that can make the playoffs should be considered a contender. If you geniuses could predict with any accuracy who would win the cup each year you would be working for Vegas--not hockeybuzz.

*drops microphone*
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM ET
Are the Leafs contenders? Not really but...

I believe they are better than the Rangers are now and were last year and the Ranges made it all the way to the finals, and were not embarrassed once they got there.

When I look at the teams in the East, the only teams I think they would be seriously outgunned by are Pittsburgh and Tampa. We all know Fleury has choked in the last few playoffs and Tampa is not playoff proven with their current lineup.

So although highly unlikely it's not impossible the Leafs could win the East.

Or they could drive the 18 wheeler off the cliff any time on the long road trip upcoming.
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Dec 15 @ 3:52 PM ET
Where is Hanzel better than bozak? In what stat? Points? Faceoffs? Short handed points.....no, no and no. Oooohhhhh he's big...well so is nik Antropov....maybe we should sign him again. The fact is this...you've suggested a trade of kadri and gardiner for Yandle on your blog....your constantly ripping on leaf fans....like who are you? Besides a no talent hack? I've seen Yandle play....he's outside the top 10 offensive dmen in the nhl....that's a fact....so stop with your pipe dreams of moving him for multiple first rounders and teams best young players....not going to happen.
- Kinggilmour


relax man, there is no need to be abusive. Get over yourself
BorjeFan4Ever
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Dec 15 @ 4:01 PM ET
The Leafs will regress because they don't have the talent and NO TEAM, EVER plays at their pace of the last 11 games for long.

They have had some recent luck in shootouts, and stellar goaltending. Neither are likely to continue at that level.

They will battle for one of the wildcards in the east.

A good season for this team would be to make the playoffs.
A great season for this team would be to win a playoff round.
An outstanding result would be to win 2 playoff rounds.

Anything else, would be shocking.

You don't need any "advanced" stats to conclude that.

- Aetherial


that about covers it.
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Dec 15 @ 4:03 PM ET
that about covers it.
- BorjeFan4Ever


Probably but that is why they play the games because you never know. Injuries, slumps, mumps, head bumps and salary dumps can happen any time

16 out of 20 on the road will tell the tale of this season for the Leafs
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 15 @ 5:41 PM ET
The Leafs have had a ridiculously heavily home weighted schedule up to this point.

How they play with a road heavy schedule from Dec 21-Jan 21 will make or break their playoff chances.

I think they break, badly.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 15 @ 5:45 PM ET
Your Highness - let's take this slowly. He was not making fun of you for misusing the word their. You did not use the word their in you post. He is making fun of you for misusing the word your. You probably wanted to us the word you're - as in you are an idiot.

He made fun of you by purposefully misusing the word their instead of they're - as in they're making fun of you.

Hope this helps.

- Canada Cup


Thehabsfan93
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Dec 15 @ 7:33 PM ET
They will be a playoff team, but I don't see them
getting out of the first round unless they do a trade or
some injury happens to their opponent.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:35 PM ET
It sure is a good thing I don't get sick of immature babies calling me names every time they disagree with something I write. Did you see the part where I proposed a trade? No, because I didn't. All I said was that the Leafs would have to part with some of their youth to acquire the guys who would help them win.

If you don't agree that Yandle is one of the best defenseman in hockey - and no qualifier for being "offensive" either - then you simply haven't watched him play or view the stats....which would mean you are giving an opinion without knowing what you're talking about and would make you calling me an idiot somewhat ironic.

Obviously a trade for a $5 million dollar player requires salary coming back the other way, but again, I did not suggest any trade, just guys the Leafs ought to get. I just don't see how suggesting they acquire the exact player they lack - a #1 D warrants in anyway this kind of abuse.

As for Hanzal, he's 6'8 or something and the Leafs sure as hell could use the size up the middle. He's lightyears better than Bozak too, so all in all, yes, I do think those two players would make the Leafs into contenders. Hanzal obviously isn't your typical #1 guy, but with Kessel and JVR on the wings, you don't exactly need a Stamkos at C.

And yeah, since Stamkos doesn't have a Kessel, I do think these two would make the Leafs the equal of TB, since they have a better goalie, Yandle would give them just as good, if not a better all-round group of defenseman and they already are pretty deep on forward, but now they have a C who can actually get down low and cycle the puck.

- James_Tanner


the guy is a 3rd line center on a contender. lets not get carried away here
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Dec 15 @ 10:51 PM ET
Where is Hanzel better than bozak? In what stat? Points? Faceoffs? Short handed points.....no, no and no. Oooohhhhh he's big...well so is nik Antropov....maybe we should sign him again. The fact is this...you've suggested a trade of kadri and gardiner for Yandle on your blog....your constantly ripping on leaf fans....like who are you? Besides a no talent hack? I've seen Yandle play....he's outside the top 10 offensive dmen in the nhl....that's a fact....so stop with your pipe dreams of moving him for multiple first rounders and teams best young players....not going to happen.
- Kinggilmour


Yandle's rankings in points by d-men:

14-15: 10
13-14: 6
12-13: 5

You are as good with facts as you are with grammar.
kayakerjack
Joined: 06.15.2014

Dec 16 @ 6:10 AM ET
Yandle and Hanzel make you a cup contender????? Are you BLEEPING kidding me!!! Yes, and deal Nylander, Gardiner, Reilly, JVR, Bernier, Kadri, Percy and 2 firsts for them to make even less sense!!!
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Dec 16 @ 10:33 AM ET
Looking at basic stats for Yandle, he is a minus offensive defenseman. I will not argue that he is a good player, but OD is not what this team needs. Since 2010, his +/- has dropped steadily. A change of scenary might help him, but to continue the JFJ days of trading away draft picks is ludacris. Plus his give away take away ratio this season is already -20. Do the leafs actually need more give aways? I would think not. I am all for upgrades, but I don't think that Keith Yandle is the upgrade we actually need. A guy I would rather have is Matt Stone. -1 TO ratio, 83 BS and a respectable 55 hits. He averages 20 min a game and is 24. Sure Yandle is the hot name right now, i can turn on TSN to figure that out. But honestly, why waste our own draft picks, which I don't think Shanny is too keen on after spending a lifetime in the Detroit locker room. Why not use his brain, and Dubas's for that matter and draft and wait. Yandle doesn't send the Leafs to the cup final. We would end up giving way to much for something we don't need.
- BoxLoXZer


Whether or not Yandle is the right fit for Toronto, I just want to make a point. Yandle is one of the best possession players in the NHL for a long time. Plus Minus and his turnover ratio do not matter in light of this fact because when Yandle plays, everyone around him gets better and over time, the team averages more shots and goals when he plays. He can turn the puck over, he can make bonehead plays, but those are countered by the fact that he controls play when he's on the ice.
legendguy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: sault ste marie, ON
Joined: 01.30.2013

Dec 16 @ 4:28 PM ET
I had to create an account to comment because i cant believe anybody with any credibility would say Hanzal is light years better than Bozak. Have you ever watched Tyler Bozak play? Do you realize the type of player he has become. He has 25 pts this year. He has scored on nights when Kessel and JVR have been terrible. Hanzal has 13 pts this year. Bozak is light years ahead of Hanzal. Just because someone has size it doesnt make them a good player.

Yandle is a good dman but he caps out as a 40-50 pt dman and he is not the greatest in his own end. He reminds me of Cody Franson to be honest. We already have that and even Gardiner may turn into that player. He is nowhere near Karlsson who despite his defense is a top 5 dman in the league.

I get you cover the Coyotes and have a high opinion of them but you need to have some focus on other players in the league.
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