Now if we were talking about Olympic shootouts...
- all-pgh

He an Fleury would be a guaranteed extra point if the Pens are still tied after overtime..

When great players are mentioned in the NHL Oshie would not be even thought of. Not even close. Give me a break.
- acdc1206

Said it before....very close to Perron in terms of value/all around skill level.

When great players are mentioned in the NHL Oshie would not be even thought of. Not even close. Give me a break.
- acdc1206

Oshie is not a great player by any means. I was being completely 100% sarcastic when I called him a superstar... he's as overrated as they come. He's good, but not nearly as good as people make him out to be.

But Oshie would make our already great shootout ability even more ridiculous :D

Supposedely Ohie & Steen are on the market. I would take Oshie in a minute. Can play center and winger. What would it cost the pens to acquire one of those guys?
- joescullz

Interesting. I suggested Oshie a few days ago. He's struggling this year in a more marginalized defensive roll and the Blues need to dump salary to resign their budding franchise stars that likely have a higher ceiling than the established Oshie. If this is the case I really think. T.J. could come at a fair price and it would be a good move for Pittsburgh. His salary is manageable and he's signed for an extended period of time and his level of play will rise with one of our two all world centers and finding himself back in a primarily offensive roll.

Interesting. I suggested Oshie a few days ago. He's struggling this year in a more marginalized defensive roll and the Blues need to dump salary to resign their budding franchise stars that likely have a higher ceiling than the established Oshie. If this is the case I really think. T.J. could come at a fair price and it would be a good move for Pittsburgh. His salary is manageable and he's signed for an extended period of time and his level of play will rise with one of our two all world centers and finding himself back in a primarily offensive roll.
- Victoro311

That's the thing, Oshie would probably do really well with Sid, but it would have to be at a low price. But then why would the Blues want to trade away Oshie for modest return, like a D prospect and a pick? They'd be better off keeping him.

Interesting. I suggested Oshie a few days ago. He's struggling this year in a more marginalized defensive roll and the Blues need to dump salary to resign their budding franchise stars that likely have a higher ceiling than the established Oshie. If this is the case I really think. T.J. could come at a fair price and it would be a good move for Pittsburgh. His salary is manageable and he's signed for an extended period of time and his level of play will rise with one of our two all world centers and finding himself back in a primarily offensive roll.
- Victoro311

Agreed. As long as it doesn't cost too much..

Oshie for Martin anyone?

Some here want to unload Martin in some manner, that one sounds pretty solid, and Dum has been looking good as well here.

Oshie for Martin anyone?

Some here want to unload Martin in some manner, that one sounds pretty solid, and Dum has been looking good as well here.
- Guile

Sweeten the deal for them with a conditional pick. Third round if martin resigns with them, 2nd if he doesn't

I think Oshie is one of those big names that doesn't live up to his perceived production. When I watch the Blues play, he never really stands out. Not physical at all.

But, he's a good player. Good cap hit. Young. Room for some growth perhaps by playing in a more offensive system and with better players (i.e. 87 and 71). We'd have him for another 2 years so if he bombs, you're not on the hook for any length of term.

Isnt this exactly the kind of top 6 we're looking for? Undervalued. Around $4mil or so. Term left on contract. Wouldn't cost too much.

I just don't see what we have to offer them. Their top 5 D is pretty good. Not moving Oshie for a 6th d-man. We aren't sending a FW in their direction as part of any deal. They are in win-now mode just like us.

I think if they were to move him, they'd package him for a big name scoring piece coming back. They have no need for PMart or any of our D prospects unless it was purely a salary dump.

There was some discussion the past few days about how much of a players cap value transferred to the team he is traded to. Some folks thought the entire cap hit transferred. Others thought it was a prorated portion.

For example, PMart salary is $5 mill. If Pens move him 41 games in, new team takes on a $2.5 cap hit and Pens free up $2.5.

I didn't find anything specific on this. But, capgeek lists Kilnkhammers trade cap hit as $430,108 for Pens and $194,892 for Arizona. So, I think it is indeed prorated.

Look at the home page on capgeek. They show this towards the bottom.

There was some discussion the past few days about how much of a players cap value transferred to the team he is traded to. Some folks thought the entire cap hit transferred. Others thought it was a prorated portion.

For example, PMart salary is $5 mill. If Pens move him 41 games in, new team takes on a $2.5 cap hit and Pens free up $2.5.

I didn't find anything specific on this. But, capgeek lists Kilnkhammers trade cap hit as $430,108 for Pens and $194,892 for Arizona. So, I think it is indeed prorated.

Look at the home page on capgeek. They show this towards the bottom.
- 87_71_11_29

Yes this is correct. Although the next season the salary Martins cap would be all theirs (if he had more years left)

That's the thing, Oshie would probably do really well with Sid, but it would have to be at a low price. But then why would the Blues want to trade away Oshie for modest return, like a D prospect and a pick? They'd be better off keeping him.
- hardnosed

Because our prospects are a bit different of a situation than guys that were just drafted and need to develop. Dumo, Harrington, Despres, and maybe even Pouliot are all blue chips that are NHL ready. St Louis needs to clear cap to sign big names, so they are going to have to let Jackman walk this season and Gunnarsson walk the year after that. I think St Louis would at the very least pick up the phone if we are offering them a guy who can step into a top 4 roll (all be it with some growing pains) AND be on an ELC. That gives them so much flexibility to deal with impending contract negotiations.

If Dumo and picks can get the deal done I see no reason why not to pull the trigger. Harrington and Despres would merit consideration. It all comes down to the market and what other GMs would offer for T.J., because you guys are right. When it comes to American heroes like Oshie, there is the risk that value will be inflated. But still, his struggles this year... I don't think his price will ever be lower when you combine that with how badly St Louis needs to get rid of some of their contracts.

St.louis is a free agent next year look sick with Sid or geno

Oshie for Martin anyone?

Some here want to unload Martin in some manner, that one sounds pretty solid, and Dum has been looking good as well here.
- Guile

I would. Im not overly impressed with him but with Dupuis gone and Bennett being Bennett we have more options at D than F.

St.louis is a free agent next year look sick with Sid or geno
- Palmer117

sid and geno to stl for oshie shattenkirk bonemeester jackman 3 1st. then bonemeester Bennett horny to Anaheim for perry getzlaf boudreau's chicken wings and selanne. team look good and win cup.

I would. Im not overly impressed with him but with Dupuis gone and Bennett being Bennett we have more options at D than F.
- all-pgh

I'd do that but doubt Stl would do this. Look at their D corps. No need for PMart.

I'd do that but doubt Stl would do this. Look at their D corps. No need for PMart.
- 87_71_11_29

They do have 4 solid dmen..hmmm. Well poop

I would. Im not overly impressed with him but with Dupuis gone and Bennett being Bennett we have more options at D than F.
- all-pgh

I'd do it too. Martin should be used If a player like Oshie is available.

sid and geno to stl for oshie shattenkirk bonemeester jackman 3 1st. then bonemeester Bennett horny to Anaheim for perry getzlaf boudreau's chicken wings and selanne. team look good and win cup.


- 87_71_11_29

You're getting too good at this...

I wouldn't mind Reeves from Stl. He always stands out come playoff time. Big masher. Can play some.

Joel Ward as a rental. Perhaps a draft pick.

Neil from Ottawa. I think he could be had for 1 or our prospects + pick.

Erik Cole. Draft pick or two. Could get hot for a playoff run.

Travis Moen.

Nick Foligno

Antoine Vermette

EDIT: Actually, the more I think about Neil from Ottawa....that intrigues me. Wonder if they'd be open to moving him? He's $1.9 this year and next so the #'s would work. 35 yrs old. Nasty.

Doumolin + 3rd round pick for Neil and 5th round pick.

Neil and Downie...now that's more like it. 87, 71, 58..you are now free to skate wherever you wish with no fear...

I'd do it too. Martin should be used If a player like Oshie is available.
- Barnaby36

St. Louis' cap space looks fine for this season. IF they really think Martin could help them on a stretch run and IF they think Oshie is an expendable luxury, then I think this deal could help them as they take on Martin and his cap hit this year, and could let him walk after this season and get the cap space needed for their budding stars.

A lot of IF's there but potentially a good hockey trade. I would also retain some of Martin's salary if needed to make the cap hits more even.

You're getting too good at this...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Something about idle hands being the devils workshop or something...

[quote=87_71_11_29]
I wouldn't mind Reeves from Stl. He always stands out come playoff time. Big masher. Can play some. -- NO

Joel Ward as a rental. Perhaps a draft pick. -- Maybe for a 5th?

Neil from Ottawa. I think he could be had for 1 or our prospects + pick. -- never.

Erik Cole. Draft pick or two. Could get hot for a playoff run. -- i dont like really old UFAs

Travis Moen. -- we think Spaling is bad value?

Nick Foligno -- yes, but way too expensive to get as a UFA right now..

Antoine Vermette -- only if we're dealing Sutter

(none of this meant to be condescending, just dont agree on giving up assets for most of these guys)

So, when is Ryan going to show up and give us a realistic idea if a trade is going to happen before the deadline week that has some magnitude?