I'm not opposed to trading Sutter if the deal is right, but for Perron? I would think Sutter would be a piece for a bigger swing deal like a Kane (pipe dream)

As for Downie, he is playing well, but needs limited. He will end up on the fourth line by seasons end. I think that's an ideal role for him.

Is perron really the top 6 guy pens would be looking for? I just don't see it... idk...

Anyway pens can add to sutter doumolin and get yak too? Add mayb a pick and harrington and pick?
- nh4442

Yak really intrigues me, but I'd feel much more comfortable with just Perron. He's a know commodity. I think he would do very well in a Pens sweater.

I used to think that he could be a nice trade chip if was given a chance to prove himself, but I don't think this team can afford to trade Despres. Not saying he'll be much better than a 4 or 5, but he adds much needed size on the blue line.

Yak really intrigues me, but I'd feel much more comfortable with just Perron. He's a know commodity. I think he would do very well in a Pens sweater.
- rival22

I dont think the Pens are in a position to move top 9 players, espciallly Sutter who is playing well.

I could see Perron for Despress+2nd rnd
Yak for 1st + top D prospect + Bortz
Still want Nino for Martin or 1st
Boedker from AZ is interesting as well.

lowball, depres and doumalin for perron is not lowballin in my opinion. dudes got like 2 goals.
- pensfan024

The 2 goals is not a reflection of his play or trade value and GMs know that. He plays with skill & heart.

I used to think that he could be a nice trade chip if was given a chance to prove himself, but I don't think this team can afford to trade Despres. Not saying he'll be much better than a 4 or 5, but he adds much needed size on the blue line.
- madmike71

To be honest, I would move Martin before Despress. Martin will make 6+ next year, most likely will be gone anyway. Despress seems like he is just getting better, not saying his ceiling is Martin, but Maata's most likely will be even higher.

To be honest, I would move Martin before Despress. Martin will make 6+ next year, most likely will be gone anyway. Despress seems like he is just getting better, not saying his ceiling is Martin, but Maata's most likely will be even higher.
- sammy87

I don't know if Martin brings back the same kind of return that one of our young guys will get. I can't remember if Martin has a list of teams he can refuse a trade, but that hurts the return as well as his UFA status. He's played some great games this year even though the last two weren't so hot.

I've said I'd consider almost any deal except Maatta, but I just really believe this D needs all the size and strength it can get. Despres fits that bill. If somehow Despres gets moved, a pairing of Scuds and Bortz is frightening.

I don't know if Martin brings back the same kind of return that one of our young guys will get. I can't remember if Martin has a list of teams he can refuse a trade, but that hurts the return as well as his UFA status. He's played some great games this year even though the last two weren't so hot.

I've said I'd consider almost any deal except Maatta, but I just really believe this D needs all the size and strength it can get. Despres fits that bill. If somehow Despres gets moved, a pairing of Scuds and Bortz is frightening.
- madmike71

I really like how Despres is playing too, but to fill a hole on forward, he might have to be dealt. But like you said, Scuderi/Bortuzzo is a step down as a third pairing, and in case of a top 4 injury, I'd rather have Despres playing some games in that role than either Bortuzzo or Scuderi.

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I don't know if Martin brings back the same kind of return that one of our young guys will get. I can't remember if Martin has a list of teams he can refuse a trade, but that hurts the return as well as his UFA status. He's played some great games this year even though the last two weren't so hot.

I've said I'd consider almost any deal except Maatta, but I just really believe this D needs all the size and strength it can get. Despres fits that bill. If somehow Despres gets moved, a pairing of Scuds and Bortz is frightening.
- madmike71

Agree 100%. Bortz is a fine #6 Dman, but the Pens have 2 guys at that level. I think Despress if a fine 4/5 Dman and his size is a huge bonus along with his willingness to play the body.

I dont think the Pens are in a position to move top 9 players, espciallly Sutter who is playing well.

I could see Perron for Despress+2nd rnd
Yak for 1st + top D prospect + Bortz
Still want Nino for Martin or 1st
Boedker from AZ is interesting as well.
- sammy87

That Perron cost would be understandable although I'm not sure of them doing it if it were out there. That Yak price is far too high though. He could be a good player for us and he has talent but he hasn't proven enough at this level. Have to take advantage of that at the table.

I love Boedker as well. He's under achieved just a bit but AZ won't give him up. He's part of their future.

I dont think the Pens are in a position to move top 9 players, espciallly Sutter who is playing well.

I could see Perron for Despress+2nd rnd
Yak for 1st + top D prospect + Bortz
Still want Nino for Martin or 1st
Boedker from AZ is interesting as well.
- sammy87

We can move third line players though if it helps the top 6.

If we could do something along these lines, I would be good with it for a while.
Kunitz - Crosby - Perron
Bennett - Malkin - Hornqvist
Comeau - Goc - Spaling
Downie - Adams - Megna

I still think that it could use another decent player in the bottom 6, but those kinds of guys are plentiful. We'd also still have a little cap space to work with as well.

I personally would take a look at Silfverberg. That's just me. Kid has some talent and the Ducks are deep up front.

I don't know if Martin brings back the same kind of return that one of our young guys will get. I can't remember if Martin has a list of teams he can refuse a trade, but that hurts the return as well as his UFA status. He's played some great games this year even though the last two weren't so hot.

I've said I'd consider almost any deal except Maatta, but I just really believe this D needs all the size and strength it can get. Despres fits that bill. If somehow Despres gets moved, a pairing of Scuds and Bortz is frightening.
- madmike71

I have no reservations about Harrington so Bortuzzo Scuderi shouldn't ever be a thing.

We can move third line players though if it helps the top 6.

If we could do something along these lines, I would be good with it for a while.
Kunitz - Crosby - Perron
Bennett - Malkin - Hornqvist
Comeau - Goc - Spaling
Downie - Adams - Megna

I still think that it could use another decent player in the bottom 6, but those kinds of guys are plentiful. We'd also still have a little cap space to work with as well.
- rival22

Don't think sutter is going anywhere... Johnson seems to really like him ... Despres is a keeper in my book ... Not a top pairing guy but a solid 3-5 ... Especially if he can reach a point where he can eliminate the bad penalties ... Agreed pens have a huge decision on martin ... With poulliot in the pipeline if they resign martin harrington becomes expendable...

The Ducks are a team that would give up some Value for a Martin/Ehrhoff rental, They are all in this year

Edmonton would need someone who can step in now and at least help them improve. They are getting killed right now. They would want at least Despres in any Perron deal. In a perfect world I'd prefer Dumoulin +

I still think Despres has too much upside, although I always thought an affordable 5/6 pairing for the future would be Bortuzzo and Dumoulin - But Despres and Dumoulin with Bortz as the #7 would be awesome. I think Despres is going to get a lot better, and price himself out of the #5/6 pairing

but you have to give to get

Future Dream

Letang/Maatta
Pouliot/Harrington
Despres/Dumoulin
Bortuzzo

Future Reality

Letang/Matta
Pouliot/Harrington
Bortuzzo/Dumoulin

Despres as trade chip

I think the perfect scenario would be us dealing Scuderi, Bortuzzo and Dumo before Despres. But I understand that that would be extremely hard. Scuderi has a bad contract and has some leverage to where he goes. Bortuzzo's value must be close to nothing, Dumo the same.

And I just love Despres, he's not taking so many penalties anymore and I think he can become a Really good 3-4 D-man with time. Hell, he could have already turned into one if not for Byslma...

I think Letang-Maatta
Ehrhoff-Poulliot
Harrington-Despres would be nice...

I've been waiting for 3 years now for the Pens to trade from a position of strength, that have yet to do it , I'm not holding my breath.

I've been waiting for 3 years now for the Pens to trade from a position of strength, that have yet to do it , I'm not holding my breath.
- Bradlee3

The problem was during the last few years, those players in their position of strength were so young that they weren't all that valuable. Whitney and Goligoski showed what they could do in the NHL. Goligoski had some issues defensively, but he put up really solid numbers offensively as a young third pairing guy.

I've been waiting for 3 years now for the Pens to trade from a position of strength, that have yet to do it , I'm not holding my breath.
- Bradlee3

Well we have a new GM so its quite unpredictable. Something will happen to bring a forward or two in, just dont have any clue what GMJR is thinking/targeting.

Bring in a guy under 27 who is not a rental, thats all I ask. There's lots of them out there...

Perron, Jurco, Rattie, Silfverberg, Palmieri, Cogliano, B. Rtichie, Connolly, Palat, Killorn, Nino....

I think Martin + Sutter to ANA for Cogliano + Palmieri/Silvferberg might be interesting.

I think the perfect scenario would be us dealing Scuderi, Bortuzzo and Dumo before Despres. But I understand that that would be extremely hard. Scuderi has a bad contract and has some leverage to where he goes. Bortuzzo's value must be close to nothing, Dumo the same.

And I just love Despres, he's not taking so many penalties anymore and I think he can become a Really good 3-4 D-man with time. Hell, he could have already turned into one if not for Byslma...

I think Letang-Maatta
Ehrhoff-Poulliot
Harrington-Despres would be nice...
- Conse

What they decide with Martin will determine everything else ... I see no scenario where Martin and erhoff are both on the team next season ... Letang maatta as a top pair and despres bortz as the bottom is solid... scuds will be gone we just need to be patient ... Poulliot will be up by latest next season.. Does Martin+ bring back the top 6 guy they need ... That's the question

Letang maatta
Martin or erhoff poulliot
Bortz despres
Harrington or dumo

Resign erhoff .. Trade Martin and dumo
Or resign Martin trade harrington... Erhoff walks at seasons end ... Dumo is 5-7

That Perron cost would be understandable although I'm not sure of them doing it if it were out there. That Yak price is far too high though. He could be a good player for us and he has talent but he hasn't proven enough at this level. Have to take advantage of that at the table.

I love Boedker as well. He's under achieved just a bit but AZ won't give him up. He's part of their future.
- HopintheCordoba

Yak is a former 1st overall price is sky high, not worth it.

I don't think we have what edm wants to be honest.

If boedker was locked up cheap for longer I would move a 1st and ruopp or dumullon.

We can move third line players though if it helps the top 6.

If we could do something along these lines, I would be good with it for a while.
Kunitz - Crosby - Perron
Bennett - Malkin - Hornqvist
Comeau - Goc - Spaling
Downie - Adams - Megna

I still think that it could use another decent player in the bottom 6, but those kinds of guys are plentiful. We'd also still have a little cap space to work with as well.
- rival22

Ph has yet to work wth 71, why keep him there?

Just for sh*ts .... Despres for Kassian?

Yak is a former 1st overall price is sky high, not worth it.

I don't think we have what edm wants to be honest.

If boedker was locked up cheap for longer I would move a 1st and ruopp or dumullon.
- sammy87

I am interested in what Yak will get resigned for, he's an RFA after this year

He's shown very little, but he's not going to sign a 2 year/5 million bridge contract

They are going to have to pay him, or he could bolt to the KHL

Edmonton wil move him if they don't think they can resign him for reasonable $$$