No on rental vet players... sid geno letang have done more then most vets and should be looked at as vets in locker room

No on rentals except jags. Sorry want him to win a cup here and retire...

No on players who are inconsistent. I want young guys who give 100%. If we can't get them via trades then get them via ufa or draft..

This team has a lot of trade chips that can help the team not just this yr but the next few..

And for (frank)s sake hurry up and bring megna up for sill.. He hasn't show anyone anything except he is able to quickly move to different positions on the bench.. we need our 4th line to be able to play more than 3 mins a game and have chances to score just not be a shutdown line... ( watch now sill will get a point tonight lol)
- nh4442

I don't have a problem with rental vets, but I do have a problem with paying big resources for them. Billy G for a 3rd was great. Morrow for Morrow not so much. Hated that deal.

I understand your rationale. But if Stafford's cost is Dumoulin and a 2nd, why not try that same package for someone like Jurco, Rattie?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

because doumalin is third on our d-prospect list he is undervalued by pens fans sometimes... he was ranked right around kap on the top 100 prospect list

I don't have a problem with rental vets, but I do have a problem with paying big resources for them. Billy G for a 3rd was great. Morrow for Morrow not so much. Hated that deal.
- madmike71

At the time of the deal I agreed. But J.morrow has proven to be a bust. Maybe Shero and the scouting staff saw it coming.

come now... even us Gibbsters wanted him back as a 4th liner who could pot maybe 8-10 with a few shortys thrown in. the blow was seeing him go to columbus on a 2-way
- ChrisMS

Big surprise, undersized bottom 6 gets hurt and no other GM wants him.

Problem is teams rarely deal quality young guys who are signed for a few season, unless you're getting the same quality in return. If I'm GMJR I'm not moving pouliot, Harrington or our first. In Dupuis we lost leadership, a solid PK'er, a good 2-way guy (allows Malkin/Crosby) to focus a bit more offensively knowing Duper is there to cover them. Vermette fills all of those voids, he's only 32, not done by any means, and the fact he is a rental is a benefit for us. Cheap price to acquire him (not having to deal any above mentioned pieces) and his cap is gone next season should Duper decide to return. If Duper doesn't come back we can still attempt to resign him if he was a good fit on the team.
- Willaged

I love the idea of Vermette. Great faceoff guy, too.

And like I said in the last blog, his acquisition would allow them to put together a second line of Bennett/Sutter/Malkin, which I think would be sick.

At the time of the deal I agreed. But J.morrow has proven to be a bust. Maybe Shero and the scouting staff saw it coming.
- Willaged

I think he's playing on the big club with the B's. (yes injury replacement). The kid is still too young to call a bust IMO. Regardless, Brendan Morrow was used up and ready for the scrap pile. I thought Shero got fleeced.....just like the Murray deal.

I think he's playing on the big club with the B's. (yes injury replacement). The kid is still too young to call a bust IMO. Regardless, Brendan Morrow was used up and ready for the scrap pile. I thought Shero got fleeced.....just like the Murray deal.
- madmike71

Haha yes, B. morrow was AWFUL here. I view the trade as nothing gained, nothing lost... As I think j.Morrow would be buried amongst our current D depth. The Crankshaft deal... Yes, that was a fleecing!

Big surprise, undersized bottom 6 gets hurt and no other GM wants him.
- sammy87

I think he's playing on the big club with the B's. (yes injury replacement). The kid is still too young to call a bust IMO. Regardless, Brendan Morrow was used up and ready for the scrap pile. I thought Shero got fleeced.....just like the Murray deal.
- madmike71

It was reactionary, as was the Murray trade. They beefed up to address perceived physicality issues, and then got drawn into a track meet against the Islanders, and then didn't have the team speed needed to offset the Bruins' size, which the smaller and quicker Canadiens then exploited successfully this past year.

because doumalin is third on our d-prospect list he is undervalued by pens fans sometimes... he was ranked right around kap on the top 100 prospect list
- ChrisMS

Exactly why you try to get an equivalent NHL ready forward rather than a reclamation project, overpriced rental.

I think he's playing on the big club with the B's. (yes injury replacement). The kid is still too young to call a bust IMO. Regardless, Brendan Morrow was used up and ready for the scrap pile. I thought Shero got fleeced.....just like the Murray deal.
- madmike71

shero also upped a draft pick in that deal... eventually leading to the upgrade for jarry. shero got rid of superfluous pieces for a cup run... no fleecing involved.

In a perfect world I would have loved to retain Hossa and sign Parise a couple years ago, but those moves are easier said than done when those centers who need wingers are making 18 mil between them.

None of the names being thrown around do that, unless we're talking about 6 mil a year guys like Kane and Eberle. And getting those guys would be prohibitive in terms of cost and are simply unlikely to happen.
- hardnosed

But I'm only talking about guys that might be the 'next' Kane or Eberle. I dont think many of the Kane, Eberle, ROR talk is reasonable for a variety of reasons.

I mean Filip Forsberg was moved for Martin Erat for gods sake. Try to strike these guys before they turn into gold.

shero also upped a draft pick in that deal... eventually leading to the upgrade for jarry. shero got rid of superfluous pieces for a cup run... no fleecing involved.
- ChrisMS

No, I think the Jarry pick was obtained in the Tyler Kennedy trade.

No, I think the Jarry pick was obtained in the Tyler Kennedy trade.
- Willaged

Correct

I love the idea of Vermette. Great faceoff guy, too.

And like I said in the last blog, his acquisition would allow them to put together a second line of Bennett/Sutter/Malkin, which I think would be sick.
- hardnosed

Not opposed to this. If the cost is like Dea/Wilson + 3rd.

I was pushing hard for Sutter in the top 6 before this season but I'm concerned that both he and Malkin are at their best playing center and Bennett is best on the RW. So in theory I like it, but in actuality not sure how it would work out. If Sutter could play left wing, you could have Sutter-Malkin-Bennett I guess.

Any realistic shot we could score Boone Jenner?

No, I think the Jarry pick was obtained in the Tyler Kennedy trade.
- Willaged

no... the 2nd they got for TK was upgraded to a higher 2nd with, I think, the dallas third. it was definately a third plus the TK 2nd to move up to get jarry

Any realistic shot we could score Boone Jenner?
- Victoro311

No. Be like us moving Mattaa...not happening.

no... the 2nd they got for TK was upgraded to a higher 2nd with, I think, the dallas third. it was definately a third plus the TK 2nd to move up to get jarry
- ChrisMS

Maybe? But that has nothing to do with the Murray trade. It was Murray for two 2nds... Which was indeed a fleecing. Lol

Maybe? But that has nothing to do with the Murray trade. It was Murray for two 2nds... Which was indeed a fleecing. Lol
- Willaged

no argument there. I was talking morrow trade. murray trade was one of sheros few bad trades. ONE second would have been a stretch, even at inflated deadline prices. TWO?

Not opposed to this. If the cost is like Dea/Wilson + 3rd.

I was pushing hard for Sutter in the top 6 before this season but I'm concerned that both he and Malkin are at their best playing center and Bennett is best on the RW. So in theory I like it, but in actuality not sure how it would work out. If Sutter could play left wing, you could have Sutter-Malkin-Bennett I guess.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

See, I prefer Malkin on the wing. Possession often starts by winning faceoffs. Malkin still just isn't any good at faceoffs. Too often, Malkin loses a faceoff and then his line spends half their shift chasing play instead of attacking.

I also don't think this system fits Malkin the way it fits Crosby. Malkin doesn't seem to know what to do on the breakout. I've seen him struggle to fit in on the breakout for a couple shifts, and then he'll go classic Geno, come back behind the goal and grab the puck, and just try to take it himself. Some of that could be linemates, but he's not as good in small areas as Crosby and Sutter are, he's more of a north/south, stay in your lane kind of player.

And Bennett seems to like the left wing just fine - it's pretty much all he's every played in the NHL at this point.

no argument there. I was talking morrow trade. murray trade was one of sheros few bad trades. ONE second would have been a stretch, even at inflated deadline prices. TWO?
- ChrisMS

Ok so we agree. Murray trade= brutal.. Morrow trade= meh, whatever. I don't lose sleep over the Morrow trade, like I said earlier, nothing gained, nothing lost really.

How are Fleischmann and Kopecky looking this year. Both could be a Nice package for a playoff run but salary would be a problem.

Fleischmann > Stafford, correct? Just want to know how you Guys feel.

How are Fleischmann and Kopecky looking this year. Both could be a Nice package for a playoff run but salary would be a problem.

Fleischmann > Stafford, correct? Just want to know how you Guys feel.
- Barnaby36

Little full. Had a big lunch.

Little full. Had a big lunch.
- Cptmjl

ZINGER!