Former 1st overall pick doesn't carry any weight with me. Martin is open to resigning here. I'd like to have Yak to see if he can find his game here and be a 40 goal scorer like he was projected to be. I just would prefer to keep Martin and our pick for a run this year.
- dbell646

To me, being a something like a former 1st overall pick means that the player has all the tools, if utilized properly, to be great. In short, a higher ceiling, though no assurance that they will achieve it. That has a lot of worth around the NHL.

As far as Martin goes, his agent did say that, but in my opinion its part of generating a bidding war for his services. If the guy wants a deal like Orpik's (or anything in the ball park), he isn't coming back to Pitt; we just can't afford that kind of deal. And if moving Martin resulted in a long-term solution (ie, Yak's 4yrs of RFA), I'd take it. Wouldn't move Martin for a rental, though

Best wishes to Pascal and his family on a full and speedy recovery.

IMHO, it's in the Pens best interest at this time to hold off making a deal for now and allow Pascal's cap hit to prorate itself even bigger. If they make a trade today they can only take back someone making equal or less than Pascal. If they wait under the new year, or TD, the space becomes prorated a grows. By TD they essentially could pick up any forward on the market with the roughly 3million in space Pascals spot opens up.
- Willaged

That's not how LTIR works.

Besides him being from there, has there been any actual rumors that Minnesota is even looking for another defenseman, let alone Paul Martin?
- rival22

I travel to ND a lot and they usually cover the Wild pretty well there. Their games are usually on and it's the "pro" team for the state. From what I understand their PP has no QB, and their top D man isnt living up to standards. They could use him, but not desperate.

God, hearing trade talk like Dupuis is already off the books hurts. It's like hearing a widow talk about dating again at her husbands funeral.

This is a tough one to swallow. Dupuis was a class act.
- usethe1-2-2

All of us would like Dupuis to be healthy first and playing, second. But nothing we can do will help any of that.

He'll be missed on the ice a lot, but from what we saw last season, he'll likely be missed more in the room.

You mentioned him before, but I just don't see how his body holds for 82gms plus playoffs. He hasn't played significant Playoff time since the '12-'13 season. Also, he woudln't be much as use on the PP w/ the 1st unit pretty much set & killing it.

Not saying he has no worth, but just that I think there are better options. than Jags.
- s0rcerer1984

Jags wouldn't cost much, and I think that he would make our second unit just as good as a lot of teams 1st PP unit.

Another thing about Jags lack luster playoffs in Boston, he was expected to create his own offense and finish as well, here all he would have to do is finish. He would be the F3, and I understand that his best attribute is his giant ass, and working up and down the wall. But if you take away all that extra work, Jags can still be effective. there is no reason for him to create if he would play on a line with Sid. Make Jags a pure finisher, and from the extra space Kuni and Sid would create Jagr would get a lot of high quality looks. Just insert Jags on that line last night, how many opportunities did Comeau get and just didn't have the hands? At least 4, Jagr doesn't miss those.

Best wishes to Pascal and his family on a full and speedy recovery.

IMHO, it's in the Pens best interest at this time to hold off making a deal for now and allow Pascal's cap hit to prorate itself even bigger. If they make a trade today they can only take back someone making equal or less than Pascal. If they wait under the new year, or TD, the space becomes prorated a grows. By TD they essentially could pick up any forward on the market with the roughly 3million in space Pascals spot opens up.
- Willaged

Can`t pro-rate LTIR

His value for replacement will always be 3.75 million

That's not how LTIR works.
- cap1681

I'm pretty certain that's how it does. Maybe I'm wrong. I thought Dupers hit being 3.75- he played 18 games so knock off around 750,000. Gives the pens 3 million in space. So TODAY you could acquire a guy worth 3.75M... But come DT if you haven't used that space you still have 3M in space, and with roughly 20 games left (1/4) you could land an 8 million dollar player as his hit for those last 20 games would be 2million (1/4). I know that's how regular cap space works (2 million in space = a player earning 8 come DT), I figured LTIR worked the same...

Can`t pro-rate LTIR

His value for replacement will always be 3.75 million
- TheGame316

Well that blows. Lol

Jags wouldn't cost much, and I think that he would make our second unit just as good as a lot of teams 1st PP unit.

Another thing about Jags lack luster playoffs in Boston, he was expected to create his on offense and finish as well, here all he would have to do is finish. He would be the F3, and I understand that his best attribute is his giant ass, and working up and down the wall. But if you take away all that extra work, Jags can still be effective. there is no reason for him to create if he would play on a line with Sid. Make Jags a pure finisher, and from the extra space Kuni and Sid would create Jagr would get a lot of high quality looks. Just insert Jags on that line last night, how many opportunities did Comeau get and just didn't have the hands? At least 4, Jagr doesn't miss those.
- nbartley9

Agreed.

Like I said, I think there are better options, but Jagr wouldn't be a terrible option. He just comes with the (?).

Agreed.

Like I said, I think there are better options, but Jagr wouldn't be a terrible option. He just comes with the (?).
- s0rcerer1984

I am a huge Jags fan, so im incredibly bias.

F logic

LTIR doesn't work that way, you don't "bank" any unused cap space.

They likely won't put Dupuis on LTIR until they have too. If you are going to call up Megna or something short term, there is no point in doing it yet until a trade or other injury.
- rival22

If they want to call somebody up, they have to put him on LTIR. They have a little over $400K in space, which isn't enough for anyone.

I'm pretty certain that's how it does. Maybe I'm wrong. I thought Dupers hit being 3.75- he played 18 games so knock off around 750,000. Gives the pens 3 million in space. So TODAY you could acquire a guy worth 3.75M... But come DT if you haven't used that space you still have 3M in space, and with roughly 20 games left (1/4) you could land an 8 million dollar player as his hit for those last 20 games would be 2million (1/4). I know that's how regular cap space works (2 million in space = a player earning 8 come DT), I figured LTIR worked the same...
- Willaged

Nah, at any point in the season whatever percentage of games that are left you get that percentage of cap relief from Dups contract. Then whoever you trade for you get that same percentage cap hit from whomever contract we get. So if 50% of season is left then we have a relief of 50% of Dups contract as well as paying 50% of the cap hit of whomever we trade for.

Edit: Late on the explanation, oh well.

All of us would like Dupuis to be healthy first and playing, second. But nothing we can do will help any of that.

He'll be missed on the ice a lot, but from what we saw last season, he'll likely be missed more in the room.
- rival22

Oh no doubt. I know whe can't do anything to help this, it just stings. He was an important piece to that lockerroom.

If they want to call somebody up, they have to put him on LTIR. They have a little over $400K in space, which isn't enough for anyone.
- PensFan1103

You still have 12 forwards, in theory you could waive/demote Sill and replace him with Megna or whomever (under like $900k).

Bummer on Duper. I didn't think he'd play 82 this year due to his injury recovery and age. But, I certainly didn't expect him to be out because of something like this. This sux as he was playing better than I thought he would and was proving me wrong so far.

Do we officially have a 1PM Pens Press Conference Curse going? Always bad news And its not "Duper has a sprained ankle news" its "Duper has a blood clot" "Maatta has cancer" kind of news.

Just throwing this out there, I think its unlikely, but do you guys feel there is any chance Kapanen or Sundqvist get brought back over sooner than anticipated? (not sure if Sundqvist can).

Megna is probably the guy to get the call up. Just thinking out loud..
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That wouldn't be allowed until the season is over for both players in their respective European leagues based on player transfer rules, or whatever you want to call it.

At that point they will probs get time with the baby pen's.

After watching Martin make one tremendous defensive play after another it's hard to imagine him being moved. I used to think it was a no brainer to trade him, but he's the kind of player you win cups with.
- madmike71

Yea, we dont need to move him for cap reasons anymore. He and Sutter have played very well and now that money isn't as big of an issue, I keep them both. I move guys like Dumo, Spaling, Scuderi, Adams and draft picks for whatever we can get.

how many opportunities did Comeau get and just didn't have the hands? At least 4, Jagr doesn't miss those.
- nbartley9

Agree whole heartedly. But I'm opposed to Jagr if he is the only acquisition. Think we really need to focus on the long term with Dupes out this year, and very sadly, its a possiblity he doesnt play again. I would bring in Jagr only if the price was minimal and he was already acquired a younger guy or guy with term.

I would do that deal in a heart beat, which also means there is no way either the Oilers or Wild would do it.

Still, it would look great...

Kunitz-Crosby-Hornquvist
Comeau-Malkin-Yakupov
Bennett-Sutter-Downie
Saling-Goc-Adams

Letang-Maatta
Ehrhoff-Despres
Bortuzzo-Scuderi
w/ Dumoulin & Harrington
- s0rcerer1984

I agree. Edm makes out nicely. Pit fills a need with good value. Minnesota gets immedatiely better but lose out big time if they cant retain Martin. They'rd basically giving up Zucker and 10-15 draft spots for Martin.

Yakupov is better than what people think, imo. I'm basing that off the few games I've seen him play this year but he hits more than people think too.

Dumo for Jurco/Rattie/etc. is still the way to go in my book.

Nah, at any point in the season whatever percentage of games that are left you get that percentage of cap relief from Dups contract. Then whoever you trade for you get that same percentage cap hit from whomever contract we get. So if 50% of season is left then we have a relief of 50% of Dups contract as well as paying 50% of the cap hit of whomever we trade for.

Edit: Late on the explanation, oh well.
- kgrpitt

Botterill earning his paycheck for sh*t like this.

That wouldn't be allowed until the season is over for both players in their respective European leagues based on player transfer rules, or whatever you want to call it.

At that point they will probs get time with the baby pen's.
- penguins-4-life

Yea. I just thought IF (big if) mgmt thought Kapanen was ready, he could go tell his dad he'd like to break his contract to play NHL hockey.

That wouldn't be allowed until the season is over for both players in their respective European leagues based on player transfer rules, or whatever you want to call it.

At that point they will probs get time with the baby pen's.
- penguins-4-life

True, but Sami Kapanen is the GM and Majority owner of his son's hockey team. I know it is a long shot but he could terminate his son's contract to let him come over.

Hey Hey what do yah say Come on Kap, send your kid over

Yea. I just thought IF (big if) mgmt thought Kapanen was ready, he could go tell his dad he'd like to break his contract to play NHL hockey.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

damn, you beat me by seconds on it haha

Best thing for the pens to do right now is nothing. Comeau and Spaling haven't hurt the team where they were playing last night, and have contributed in the top six. If your going to trade the best d man on the team it has to be worth it. Duper isn't easily replaced as it is so can't force a deal out of this.

A deal will be made by Christmas. Doubt Martin gets moved now, but a prospect and pick now seem reasonable.