how are you beating it?

anderson > reimer
methot > gardiner

including a 2nd rd pick next season doesn't offset the fact that you're giving up 2 inferior players.
- sensarmy_11

uh considering age... no.

don't you badmouth newmy's cousin.
- ChetManly

Newmy... man I miss that guy

Edit: at least he is a little smarter than A_O...







If you spell smart like SMRT

i think the difference is that edmonton has tons of "future", that they can afford to part with one.....if it fills 1-2 holes they currently have on their roster.

the leafs, atleast the leafs of the late 90's and early to mid 00's, had almost no "future", and the small amount they did have, they traded away.
- sensarmy_11

What do we have in terms of future?

The key prospects are:
Draisitl, Nurse, Klefborm, Marincin, Khaira, Yakimov, Chase, and Roy.

I might be missing a guy or two, both those are the key players with the best outlook that Edmonton probably wouldn't be parting with.

Edmonton needs a solid 2c and a top-2 dman. Maybe a better goalie, but who knows.

The frustrating thing is that no two goalies are the same. Scrivens needs to be solid from the start of the game. I believe the problem stems from the goalie coach.

Scrivens and Reimer are the same, both back up goalies.

Scrivens and Reimer are the same, both back up goalies.
- hunglikeapuck

Both have potential to be #1, but they also have their downfalls that categorize them as solid back ups.

uh considering age... no.
- Aetherial

is age really a consideration in this case?

edmonton has tons of youth, you'd think at this point they'd simply want the best players.

given the current make up of their roster, a player like methot would help them MUCH more than a player like gardiner.

and you'll never convince me that reimer is a better goalie than anderson.

Scrivens and Reimer are the same, both back up goalies.
- hunglikeapuck

Oh yay, a habs fan now.

then you continue to build young

while i agree on needs.. you dont sell off future for aging vets.. thats how the leafs operated for years.. look where that got them
- Dozzer

You pick up your veterans for cheap in the off-season.

Remember when Detroit was horrible for so long. That is what Devellano said he did. He rounded out his roster every year with character guys and developed the core from within.

I love the Raymond / Winnick/ Santorelli moves the Leafs have made the last couple years.

The key is obviously getting the right veterans.

What do we have in terms of future?

The key prospects are:
Draisitl, Nurse, Klefborm, Marincin, Khaira, Yakimov, Chase, and Roy.

I might be missing a guy or two, both those are the key players with the best outlook that Edmonton probably wouldn't be parting with.

Edmonton needs a solid 2c and a top-2 dman. Maybe a better goalie, but who knows.

The frustrating thing is that no two goalies are the same. Scrivens needs to be solid from the start of the game. I believe the problem stems from the goalie coach.
- ChetManly

i think you guys also have lots of "future" on your NHL roster.....RNH, Yakupov, Hall are all under 22 and not even sniffing the prime of their career yet. even eberle is still only 24.

you have tons of talent under 25, and almost no talent over 25. trading away a young guy to bring in 2-3 solid vets wouldn't be the worst move the oilers could make.

is age really a consideration in this case?

edmonton has tons of youth, you'd think at this point they'd simply want the best players.

given the current make up of their roster, a player like methot would help them MUCH more than a player like gardiner.

and you'll never convince me that reimer is a better goalie than anderson.
- sensarmy_11

When our best players are being sent away in terrible proposals for scraps a plugs, that isn't improving the team.

FYI - I'm not saying your trades are bad. It's a general statement. And I would love to have Methot on the Oilers. I would give you Jultz and Nikitin. A 2 for 1 deal

You pick up your veterans for cheap in the off-season.

Remember when Detroit was horrible for so long. That is what Devellano said he did. He rounded out his roster every year with character guys and developed the core from within.

I love the Raymond / Winnick/ Santorelli moves the Leafs have made the last couple years.

The key is obviously getting the right veterans.
- Aetherial

Ference???

Oh wait, he sucks more than a hooker that is bankrupt.

i think you guys also have lots of "future" on your NHL roster.....RNH, Yakupov, Hall are all under 22 and not even sniffing the prime of their career yet. even eberle is still only 24.

you have tons of talent under 25, and almost no talent over 25. trading away a young guy to bring in 2-3 solid vets wouldn't be the worst move the oilers could make.
- sensarmy_11

Pouliot, Purcell can be talented.

Joensuu-Gordon-Hendricks are talented at what they are supposed to do. They're all over 25.

i think you guys also have lots of "future" on your NHL roster.....RNH, Yakupov, Hall are all under 22 and not even sniffing the prime of their career yet. even eberle is still only 24.

you have tons of talent under 25, and almost no talent over 25. trading away a young guy to bring in 2-3 solid vets wouldn't be the worst move the oilers could make.
- sensarmy_11

Yes and no. Moves have been made and will continue to be made to solidify the team. Why should the core be split up just for a slight improvement or for the sake of making a trade? Purcell, Pouliot, Gordon, Hendricks, Joensuu all have experience over 25. Same with Perron. The key is to make a move that addresses one of the areas that require attention:
2C or top-2 dman.

Ference???

Oh wait, he sucks more than a hooker that is bankrupt.
- Oilers4Life14

[Enter a yo momma joke]

When our best players are being sent away in terrible proposals for scraps a plugs, that isn't improving the team.

FYI - I'm not saying your trades are bad. It's a general statement. And I would love to have Methot on the Oilers. I would give you Jultz and Nikitin. A 2 for 1 deal
- ChetManly

ottawa already has too many 2nd-3rd pairing d-men, adding 2 more would just increase the log jam we already have.

sens need a top six winger.......i wouldn't be surprised if methot is moved, but i would be shocked if they moved him for anything other than that.

[Enter a yo momma joke]
- ChetManly

-marks

Scrivens and Reimer are the same, both back up goalies.
- hunglikeapuck

Go Habs Go

is age really a consideration in this case?

edmonton has tons of youth, you'd think at this point they'd simply want the best players.

given the current make up of their roster, a player like methot would help them MUCH more than a player like gardiner.

and you'll never convince me that reimer is a better goalie than anderson.
- sensarmy_11

Partially agree. Right now Anderson is a better goalie than Reimer. The truth is that their career stats are virtually identical and Reimer is 7 years younger. I hope you aren't going to say that Reimer has had the advantage of playing on better defensive teams LOL!

Methot is probably better than Gardiner although that highly depends on which Gardiner shows up every night. If it is the "good" Gardiner, then Methot is not even close. Again, you also have age differences. No way in hell I trade Gardiner for Methot (considering where the Leafs are right now).

If the Leafs were a goalie or solid D man away from really contending, I would trade Reimer for Anderson and Gardiner for Methot. As it stands right now, I would not do either trade. It would be foolish.

The more I think about it, I don't like the idea of Edmonton giving up a big piece of their young core for a veteran.

Get your veterans for free in the off-season.

ottawa already has too many 2nd-3rd pairing d-men, adding 2 more would just increase the log jam we already have.

sens need a top six winger.......i wouldn't be surprised if methot is moved, but i would be shocked if they moved him for anything other than that.
- sensarmy_11

Would you be interested in Perron?

Pouliot, Purcell can be talented.

Joensuu-Gordon-Hendricks are talented at what they are supposed to do. They're all over 25.
- Oilers4Life14

sorry, let me rephrase. i didn't mean "no talent" over the age of 25.....i meant there are little "impact" or "core" players on your team that aren't under 25.

there's obviously talent there, but i think the only real impact player you have over 25 is perron. the other guys aren't bad players, but not what i'd consider impact players.

Would you be interested in Perron?
- Oilers4Life14

Would Ceci be coming our way?

i think you guys also have lots of "future" on your NHL roster.....RNH, Yakupov, Hall are all under 22 and not even sniffing the prime of their career yet. even eberle is still only 24.

you have tons of talent under 25, and almost no talent over 25. trading away a young guy to bring in 2-3 solid vets wouldn't be the worst move the oilers could make.
- sensarmy_11

I would never trade one of the core young guys on Edmonton for a "veteran".

Would you be interested in Perron?
- Oilers4Life14

i think he'd be a great fit in ottawa, not sure what the oil would want for him though.

sorry, let me rephrase. i didn't mean "no talent" over the age of 25.....i meant there are little "impact" or "core" players on your team that aren't under 25.

there's obviously talent there, but i think the only real impact player you have over 25 is perron. the other guys aren't bad players, but not what i'd consider impact players.
- sensarmy_11

Pouliot is making an impact for us. The 'wagon line' is making a VERY big impact for our club as well.

I would never trade one of the core young guys on Edmonton for a "veteran".
- Aetherial

Nor would pretty much anyone else that understands the club.