I may be wrong, but I get the sense that having your name on the cup vs getting paid $$$ is less of a priority for European players opposed to north Americans. Erhoff follows the money imo.
- all-pgh

Well you are right about one thing, you may be wrong. I try not to generalize about players based on what continent they come from. The reason? It is not logical and it's kind of racist.

It will come down to he or Martin and if he accepts an in-season offer, which has already been reported, then he stays.
- usethe1-2-2

This has been seriously overstated. Friedman said:

"Christian Ehrhoff surprised by taking one year in Pittsburgh, but no one would be stunned if he's extended not long after Jan. 1. That's when he's eligible to do it."

It's not a report based on inside information. It's been touted as a sure sign that re-signing him is imminent, but it's a throwaway statement that means little.

Words mean things.

11/4/14




F Sutter

This has been seriously overstated. Friedman said:

"Christian Ehrhoff surprised by taking one year in Pittsburgh, but no one would be stunned if he's extended not long after Jan. 1. That's when he's eligible to do it."

It's not a report based on inside information. It's been touted as a sure sign that re-signing him is imminent, but it's a throwaway statement that means little.

Words mean things.
- hardnosed

Way to pull just a small segment of what I said. I said he is more likely to sign than Martin given that he will be cheaper and Friedman saying that it is likely he resigns long term.

You know what really means things, actions. Paul Martin didn't sign an extension, that means a good bit on how he is feeling. If he doesn't sign one in season, Ehrhoff probably will.

Martin will walk after we win the cup and demand at least 6 to be a top 2 d, he walks, we sign ehrhoff for 4.75 and win back to back cups. All while scuderi plays norris trophy candidate hockey...

You want the prospects to play but want to resign average defensemen that hog up the spots. Makes no sense. Let erhoff and martin walk and play the high potential, low cap hit youth play

Well you are right about one thing, you may be wrong. I try not to generalize about players based on what continent they come from. The reason? It is not logical and it's kind of racist.
- powerhouse

Wow, racist? I guess I should simplify it for you. I don't think Europeans grow up glorifying the cup the same as north Americans so it's possible it's not as much a priority for them. Sounds logical to me. I'm not sure how that is derogatory. And I'm not sure hoe Europeans are a different race from north Americans.

Wow, racist? I guess I should simplify it for you. I don't think Europeans grow up glorifying the cup the same as north Americans so it's possible it's not as much a priority for them. Sounds logical to me. I'm not sure how that is derogatory. And I'm not sure hoe Europeans are a different race from north Americans.
- all-pgh

He means prejudice and yes, your statement is very prejudice. You think they don’t idolize the cup like north American’s do is a prejudice statement. You have no idea what their career goals are and you can’t unless you ask each one.
It is a Milbury’esq statement.

That doesn't mean you can't have that opinion, you are more the welcome to veiw it as you please.

Griess getting the start? Bold move. Fleury is pretty hot right now and usually you want your best against the best... Right

Wow, racist? I guess I should simplify it for you. I don't think Europeans grow up glorifying the cup the same as north Americans so it's possible it's not as much a priority for them. Sounds logical to me. I'm not sure how that is derogatory. And I'm not sure hoe Europeans are a different race from north Americans.
- all-pgh

You assume a great deal and generalize. That is not logic, it is your opinion. It is not a well reasoned argument. If you want to do a research project to confirm or deny your hypothesis, then we can talk.

Wow, racist? I guess I should simplify it for you. I don't think Europeans grow up glorifying the cup the same as north Americans so it's possible it's not as much a priority for them. Sounds logical to me. I'm not sure how that is derogatory. And I'm not sure hoe Europeans are a different race from north Americans.
- all-pgh

It's the word 'Europeans ' that gives it away. Not racist , just lumping in a continent of all different people together.
I read that Cooke is out with an injury???!!!! Bartley must be in tears !

He means prejudice and yes, your statement is very prejudice. You think they don’t idolize the cup like north American’s do is a prejudice statement. You have no idea what their career goals are and you can’t unless you ask each one.
It is a Milbury’esq statement.

That doesn't mean you can't have that opinion, you are more the welcome to veiw it as you please.
- usethe1-2-2

How can you call me out and then do the same thing you are accusing me of? Do you know they idolize the cup the same as n Americans? Have you asked each one? Do you think when they leave their homeland and their families to come here to a new culture and new language, the cup is the main reason? I think it's pretty milburyesque that north America is the end all be all in your line of thinking.
And thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion even though I run the risk of being compared to milbury if it differs from yours.

Way to pull just a small segment of what I said. I said he is more likely to sign than Martin given that he will be cheaper and Friedman saying that it is likely he resigns long term.

You know what really means things, actions. Paul Martin didn't sign an extension, that means a good bit on how he is feeling. If he doesn't sign one in season, Ehrhoff probably will.
- usethe1-2-2

Huh? You said that it had been reported that Ehrhoff was going to re-sign. And then again, you say in the post above that Friedman says that Friedman said "it is likely he re-signs long term."

Friedman didn't say that at all, which is what I was pointing out. He said "no one would be stunned if he's extended not long after Jan. 1."

And it's not like Martin turned down an extension or something. What Martin actually, really, authentically said in September was:

Regarding the possibility of a contract extension, Martin said he “can't see us talking about it” at the moment.

“I think we'll just play the year and see how it goes,” he said.

http://triblive.com/sport...uins-letang#ixzz3I82Mfvux

It's the word 'Europeans ' that gives it away. Not racist , just lumping in a continent of all different people together.
I read that Cooke is out with an injury???!!!! Bartley must be in tears !
- Bradlee3

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you call me out and then do the same thing you are accusing me of? Do you know they idolize the cup the same as n Americans? Have you asked each one? Do you think when they leave their homeland and their families to come here to a new culture and new language, the cup is the main reason? I think it's pretty milburyesque that north America is the end all be all in your line of thinking.
And thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion even though I run the risk of being compared to milbury if it differs from yours.
- all-pgh

I never once made any claim on wether they do or do not idolize the cup over money. You might want to read that again.

Huh? You said that it had been reported that Ehrhoff was going to re-sign. And then again, you say in the post above that Friedman says that Friedman said "it is likely he re-signs long term."

Friedman didn't say that at all, which is what I was pointing out. He said "no one would be stunned if he's extended not long after Jan. 1."

And it's not like Martin turned down an extension or something. What Martin actually, really, authentically said in September was:



http://triblive.com/sport...uins-letang#ixzz3I82Mfvux
- hardnosed

I'm saying it is more likely that Ehrhoff resigns than Martin. If you take into account the price of the player, the supposed interest (instead of reports) that he will sign an extension in Jan, and the fact that Martin wouldn't discuss an extension over the summer.

I never made the claim that resigning Ehrhoff was a given, I said that given the situation he is more likely. That was all.

You want the prospects to play but want to resign average defensemen that hog up the spots. Makes no sense. Let erhoff and martin walk and play the high potential, low cap hit youth play
- jchst22

Please stick to watching The Mighty Ducks on cable, your hockey knowledge is back in the pee wee leagues with Gordan Bombay kiddo. No one is ranking Martin or Ehrhoff as average.

You assume a great deal and generalize. That is not logic, it is your opinion. It is not a well reasoned argument. If you want to do a research project to confirm or deny your hypothesis, then we can talk.
- powerhouse

Yes I said was a general statement and II said it was just my opinion. Try and keep up. My argument was being called racist and that it just might be possible that someone from a foreign land might not idolize a price of hardware the same as someone born and raised with it. I hope I don't have to do a research project to open your eyes tO that possibility. That's all I'm saying.

I'm saying it is more likely that Ehrhoff resigns than Martin. If you take into account the price of the player, the supposed interest (instead of reports) that he will sign an extension in Jan, and the fact that Martin wouldn't discuss an extension over the summer.

- usethe1-2-2

There isn't any evidence of "supposed interest," either, and Martin's people talked to the Penguins in June about a contract according to his quote in that article I just linked to.

The only arguments that I buy regarding Ehrhoff being the more likely target is that he's younger and he might be cheaper.

I'm 99.9% convinced Martin is gone after this year. Only question at this point is do they ride the season out with him or trade him.

Personally, I'm all for keeping him for a Cup run at the $5mill cap hit.

I don't think he'll return what some posters on these boards think he will. He's an UFA. He has a NTC. Other than that, yeah sure lets move him for a young, top 6 winger

I'm 99.9% convinced Martin is gone after this year. Only question at this point is do they ride the season out with him or trade him.

Personally, I'm all for keeping him for a Cup run at the $5mill cap hit.

I don't think he'll return what some posters on these boards think he will. He's an UFA. He has a NTC. Other than that, yeah sure lets move him for a young, top 6 winger
- 87_71_11_29

Yes mock the idea as dumb yet again. Too bad every one who wants to trade Martin for a winger have already said it'll take a lot more packaged with him to get someone young. How many more times will it take until you understand?

Yes mock the idea as dumb yet again. Too bad every one who wants to trade Martin for a winger have already said it'll take a lot more packaged with him to get someone young. How many more times will it take until you understand?
- ImScore71

Why dump him though? We have a great chance at the cup with him.. Last time I checked our offense is fine this year. Plus add in BB coming back. Next year we could see kap and sundqvist and probably megna up in the big leagues. Our D prospects will be more than ready to go by then.. Plus, there's always free agents and the upcoming draft which is STOCKED with quality. We will be fine keeping Martin and then letting him walk.

Edit: plus we'll have to move a d prospect that can play next year, probably sutter who we need to keep at least until this contract is almost up. All that for a young winger when we have two in Kap and BB plus the possibility of one drafted + a free agent?

Why dump him though? We have a great chance at the cup with him.. Last time I checked our offense is fine this year. Plus add in BB coming back. Next year we could see kap and sundqvist and probably megna up in the big leagues. Our D prospects will be more than ready to go by then.. Plus, there's always free agents and the upcoming draft which is STOCKED with quality. We will be fine keeping Martin and then letting him walk.

Edit: plus we'll have to move a d prospect that can play next year, probably sutter who we need to keep at least until this contract is almost up. All that for a young winger when we have two in Kap and BB plus the possibility of one drafted + a free agent?
- znagle

Exactly. No reason to mortgage the present and the future to acquire a hypothetical top 6 winger who isn't needed.

Why dump him though? We have a great chance at the cup with him.. Last time I checked our offense is fine this year. Plus add in BB coming back. Next year we could see kap and sundqvist and probably megna up in the big leagues. Our D prospects will be more than ready to go by then.. Plus, there's always free agents and the upcoming draft which is STOCKED with quality. We will be fine keeping Martin and then letting him walk.
- znagle

There is just so much time between now and the deadline... As of right now, I agree with you. For me, letting players play out there contract and walk is the price of doing business for being a legit contender and a cap team. You want those players around to make a run, and most deadline deals aren't "hockey trades" where you get good return as far as NHL players.

Would a top 6 winger be a nice addition? Yes, but if it involves weakening our top 4 defensive corps by moving Martin, I don't know if I'd do that.

Like I said, there is a lot of time... if between now and March, Despres or Bortuzzo look like they can handle that top 4 load, and a young guy or two gets some games and looks like they can step in on the bottom pair, maybe moving Martin doesn't seem that bad...

Exactly. No reason to mortgage the present and the future to acquire a hypothetical top 6 winger who isn't needed.
- hardnosed

Seriously. We have a chance at the cup NOW. We don't "need" more offense. We have a solid defensive core. What happens if we do trade martin and 2-3 of our dmen go down with injuries near or during the playoffs? Idk about you but I'd rather have Martin and 2 rookies then 3 rookies and nino niederreiter who MAY pan out pretty good over the next few seasons..