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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Sep 24 @ 9:29 AM ET
Rosehill is a viable option as the 13th forward but not the best option, IMO. I would rather have Rinaldo in that role or an expanded version of it.
- NickTheKid87



As a 13th forward Rosehill is cheap and fine. If it were someone like Courturier or Giroux or Schenn that got hurt for a longer period of time then I would expect them to bring up someone who fits that need better like Straka, Laughton, Leirer or Alderson
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Sep 24 @ 9:29 AM ET
I am lucky: I get a media parking pass (free) for all Flyers games. They have raised paid parking at the Wells Fargo Center to $20 this season. Some of my fellow media members were griping that the commissary meals at WFC are now $12 (up from $10 last season). I skipped the meal at Monday's game but it wasn't because of the price.
- bmeltzer


I cannot believe the Wells Fargo Center/Flyers increased parking this year. What an absolute joke. I was shocked when I went down to the game on Monday.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
I just don't see why we needed Stortini, even with the Phantoms.
- PhiFaninEdm


This. I'm sure he's a nice guy, and I knowing fighting is his meal ticket, but there are just so many better options. I'd rather stick with Mathers as your go-to if needed, and let the other guys like Manning/Holmstrom/Lauridsen handle matters as they arise.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
I think Rinaldo is going to be a regular in the lineup. We'll see.
- MJL



I do as well.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
I cannot believe the Wells Fargo Center/Flyers increased parking this year. What an absolute joke. I was shocked when I went down to the game on Monday.
- KGBflyers10


Unless I have a free parking pass or I'm with friends and we all chip in, I always take SEPTA. Luckily my house is near a train station and my girlfriend goes to Temple so I'll park there and we'll take the subway.
Lavy13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 01.14.2014

Sep 24 @ 9:33 AM ET
Should be interesting to see how his offense progresses in Juniors this year. He'll be 19 and likely the PP quarterback. If he's going to make a jump in offense, this would be the year
- PhillySportsGuy


For sure, he'll get tons of mins on a solid Rimouski team and should see a big boost in his numbers.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:33 AM ET
I cannot believe the Wells Fargo Center/Flyers increased parking this year. What an absolute joke. I was shocked when I went down to the game on Monday.
- KGBflyers10


Jetro is $10, $5 if they know you. I got an in. It's on the other side of the Linc, but for the $15 discount, I'll make the trek.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 24 @ 9:34 AM ET
how many true "enforcers" are in the league today?
- jak521

Define "true enforcer". I feel like that is a grey area.

John Scott, Brian McGrattan, Tom Sestito, Chris Neil, Colton Orr, Shawn Thornton, Matt Carkner, Brandon Prust, Rinaldo

Do they fit the description?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 24 @ 9:34 AM ET
I cannot believe the Wells Fargo Center/Flyers increased parking this year. What an absolute joke. I was shocked when I went down to the game on Monday.
- KGBflyers10


Everything went up this year, unfortunately.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
For sure, he'll get tons of mins on a solid Rimouski team and should see a big boost in his numbers.
- Lavy13


Cap allowing, I still think a cup of coffee with the Flyers, up to 9 games and even as a healthy scratch, would do wonders for him. Just being around the team and seeing how they operate on a day-in/day-out basis would be great for him before going back to juniors.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 24 @ 9:36 AM ET
Jetro is $10, $5 if they know you. I got an in. It's on the other side of the Linc, but for the $15 discount, I'll make the trek.
- jmatchett383


I park there and walk under the 95 overpass to get to the arena because I refuse to pay to park in the WFC. I'll park in the Linc when it's cold and I have my son, but otherwise....

/Team Jetro lot
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 24 @ 9:37 AM ET
Define "true enforcer". I feel like that is a grey area.

John Scott, Brian McGrattan, Tom Sestito, Chris Neil, Colton Orr, Shawn Thornton, Matt Carkner, Brandon Prust, Rinaldo

Do they fit the description?

- GOA88


Rinaldo is not an enforcer.

He's more of a pest. I'd even say Chris Neil isn't really an enforcer. He takes a regular shift (above the 4th line) for Ottawa, I think. Prust is another one who may not be an enforcer.

Otherwise, the rest of those guys just aren't good at ice hockey.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:38 AM ET
Define "true enforcer". I feel like that is a grey area.

John Scott, Brian McGrattan, Tom Sestito, Chris Neil, Colton Orr, Shawn Thornton, Matt Carkner, Brandon Prust, Rinaldo

Do they fit the description?

- GOA88


Prust is pretty good defensively. Neil, Orr, Thornton and McGrattan though fight that definition. The rest are on the fence, IMO.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:38 AM ET
Define "true enforcer". I feel like that is a grey area.

John Scott, Brian McGrattan, Tom Sestito, Chris Neil, Colton Orr, Shawn Thornton, Matt Carkner, Brandon Prust, Rinaldo

Do they fit the description?

- GOA88


Yes, yes, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, no. Rosehill is one as well. Derek Dorsett (may he burn in hell) is, more or less. Ryan Reaves, Tim Jackman, Eric Boulton, Zenon Konopka, and Kevin Westgarth fall into that category as well.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 24 @ 9:40 AM ET
Prust is pretty good defensively. Neil, Orr, Thornton and McGrattan though fight that definition. The rest are on the fence, IMO.
- NickTheKid87

Well thats what an enforcer is in todays NHL. They require that you can somewhat play hockey. Believe me when I say Brandon Prust is absolutely counted on to the drop the gloves when needed. Watch CH 24 on NHL network. He prides himself on being a good fighter.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:40 AM ET
I park there and walk under the 95 overpass to get to the arena because I refuse to pay to park in the WFC. I'll park in the Linc when it's cold and I have my son, but otherwise....

/Team Jetro lot

- johndewar


My wife refuses to walk under the overpass because it used to have that makeshift shanty town under there and the bums freaked her out. I know it's cleaned out now, but the new fence is a PTA. I just walk through the Linc, takes an extra 2 minutes.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:41 AM ET
Well thats what an enforcer is in todays NHL. They require that you can somewhat play hockey. Believe me when I say Brandon Prust is absolutely counted on the drop the gloves when needed. Watch CH 24 on NHL network. He prides himself on being a good fighter.
- GOA88


We're just arguing semantics now. Rosehill isn't nearly as good as Prust, whether you call them both "enforcers" or not.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:41 AM ET
Well thats what an enforcer is in todays NHL. They require that you can somewhat play hockey. Believe me when I say Brandon Prust is absolutely counted on the drop the gloves when needed. Watch CH 24 on NHL network. He prides himself on being a good fighter.
- GOA88


Wayne Simmonds is also counted on to drop the gloves when needed, but he's not an "enforcer." There are players out there who have little to no skill (Jon Scott being the best example) like the ones I listed.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 24 @ 9:41 AM ET
Prust is pretty good defensively. Neil, Orr, Thornton and McGrattan though fight that definition. The rest are on the fence, IMO.
- NickTheKid87


I wonder if Colton Orr is aware of where the puck is when he is out there.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 24 @ 9:42 AM ET
We're just arguing semantics now. Rosehill isn't nearly as good as Prust, whether you call them both "enforcers" or not.
- NickTheKid87

Ok, thats like saying Giroux isnt nearly as good as Crosby, whether you call them both "playmakers" or not.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:42 AM ET
We're just arguing semantics now. Rosehill isn't nearly as good as Prust, whether you call them both "enforcers" or not.
- NickTheKid87


Agreed. It's like arguing Crosby vs. Giroux. They're both superstars, but they're on completely different levels. I think it's the difference between "enforcer" and "fighter." I'd call Prust a fighter, but not an enforcer.

Edit: Yeah, what you just said.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:43 AM ET
I park there and walk under the 95 overpass to get to the arena because I refuse to pay to park in the WFC. I'll park in the Linc when it's cold and I have my son, but otherwise....

/Team Jetro lot

- johndewar


I parked in the actually stadium lots maybe 3 or 4 times during events (Flyers, Phillies, Eagles, concerts) because the walk is well worth it for the drop in price.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 24 @ 9:43 AM ET
My wife refuses to walk under the overpass because it used to have that makeshift shanty town under there and the bums freaked her out. I know it's cleaned out now, but the new fence is a PTA. I just walk through the Linc, takes an extra 2 minutes.
- jmatchett383


Yeah, when those homeless people were under there, it made you walk a bit more gingerly.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:43 AM ET
I wonder if Colton Orr is aware of where the puck is when he is out there.
- johndewar


Probably about as much as Stortini was. All he did all game was lurk around and try to get players to fight him. It was a bit embrassing.

Again, I know that's his role, but come on!
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:45 AM ET
Ok, thats like saying Giroux isnt nearly as good as Crosby, whether you call them both "playmakers" or not.
- GOA88


For the sake of consistency, we'll call players who do little more than fight "goons" rather than enforcers. Rosehill, Orr, etc. would be goons, that way Prust could still be an enforcer.
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