Pecafan Fan
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Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
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That is what I meant by as within a team and not another team or player, it is not the same circumstances, it would be inaccurate or at best speculation. - LeafMan
I'm not sure what you're trying to say...
What I'm reading is "you can't compare an NHL player to another NHL player because they aren't the same person" |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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What you can do however is track individual players relative to their own team's norms. Chances are if a player makes one team better, they will make another team better as well. And there are some contributions that are not as patently obvious as goals and assists. - lumlums
like Clark MAc. and Grabo
no matter where they play they kill possession... you had to see that Randy buried them..but they still preformed well when given tough mins |
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lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.25.2011
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That is what I meant by as within a team and not another team or player, it is not the same circumstances, it would be inaccurate or at best speculation. - LeafMan
This is true whenever one compares two players under normal, stat-free circumstances. It comes down to whether you trust opinions, which may be biased, or the numbers, which are not. |
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Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON Joined: 02.12.2013
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not yet I am saving up for the leafs conference finals tickets - senstroll
You should have about $2,345,219.47 saved up by now. Your kids will appreciate it. |
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say...
What I'm reading is "you can't compare an NHL player to another NHL player because they aren't the same person" - Pecafan Fan
No, you can compare them but you have to take in account different variables, such as coach, teammates, market etc... You can't get an accurate snapshot is all I'm saying, imo.
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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This is true whenever one compares two players under normal, stat-free circumstances. It comes down to whether you trust opinions, which may be biased, or the numbers, which are not. - lumlums
Pretty much, yes. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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You should have about $2,345,219.47 saved up by now. - Woderwick
well I have the .47
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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like Clark MAc. and Grabo
no matter where they play they kill possession... you had to see that Randy buried them..but they still preformed well when given tough mins - senstroll
I bet they did really well in the playoffs for their team....wait. |
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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
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No, you can compare them but you have to take in account different variables, such as coach, teammates, market etc... You can't get an accurate snapshot is all I'm saying, imo. - LeafMan
If that's true it means a player would be seeing his numbers vary greatly depending on what team he plays. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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I bet they did really well in the playoffs for their team....wait. - LeafMan
you got me
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Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON Joined: 02.12.2013
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well I have the .47 - senstroll
You still have time. |
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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If that's true it means a player would be seeing his numbers vary greatly depending on what team he plays. - Pecafan Fan
Not greatly that is overstating it but to some degree positively or negatively. |
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Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON Joined: 10.04.2013
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I bet they did really well in the playoffs for their team....wait. - LeafMan
got us to game 7 going up vs Bostons #1 line all series
NOT GREAT
but someone had to sink their +- stat vs that line and we all know it wasnt going to be phil's line or lupul's line as they have 1 player per line that has any D game what so ever.
still impressive we made it to game 7, just a a drag how it finished, it still hurts! |
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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got us to game 7 going up vs Bostons #1 line all series
NOT GREAT
but someone had to sink their +- stat vs that line and we all know it wasnt going to be phil's line or lupul's line as they have 1 player per line that has any D game what so ever.
still impressive we made it to game 7, just a a drag how it finished, it still hurts! - Lucas Neilson
Sorry Lucas both Mac A and Grabo stunk that series. |
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TheThrill
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sid, I'm open!, ON Joined: 12.10.2013
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got us to game 7 going up vs Bostons #1 line all series
NOT GREAT
but someone had to sink their +- stat vs that line and we all know it wasnt going to be phil's line or lupul's line as they have 1 player per line that has any D game what so ever.
still impressive we made it to game 7, just a a drag how it finished, it still hurts! - Lucas Neilson
Who had the D game on Lupul's line? Frattin? |
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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Who had the D game on Lupul's line? Frattin? - TheThrill
Frattin played with Lupul and Kadri |
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Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON Joined: 10.04.2013
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Sorry Lucas both Mac A and Grabo stunk that series. - LeafMan
take a look at their ice time for the 10 games in the regular season BEFORE the playoff started
8-10 mins a game, then playoff start and they are getting around 20 vs top line
bottom line, randy (frank)ed them and everyone and their mother knows it...even randy. |
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Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON Joined: 10.04.2013
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Frattin played with Lupul and Kadri - LeafMan
that line couldnt shut down a 3rd line grind line
as a matter of fact, they didnt. |
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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
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Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Hockeybuzz Fantasy @lucasneilson84 , ON Joined: 10.04.2013
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Sorry Lucas both Mac A and Grabo stunk that series. - LeafMan
but i do agree, they had a rough go, i just dont blame them under the circumstances is all |
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Deeps27
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 07.08.2007
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Guy is 175 lbs.
Give him time. - Pecafan Fan
In Montreal that's called a power forward, no? |
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LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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that line couldnt shut down a 3rd line grind line
as a matter of fact, they didnt. - Lucas Neilson
They had the most scoring chances against the Bruins, hemmed them down low, I remember watching the replays on Leafs TV during that summer, they were a good line |
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If we can cut 7-8 shots a game he should be a stud - Yeti1181
sorry dude but that's to low more like 15 shot per game. 40 per game is a lot of shots on your net. |
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TheThrill
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sid, I'm open!, ON Joined: 12.10.2013
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Frattin played with Lupul and Kadri - LeafMan
Yes I know. Luke had said that Phils line and Loops line had 1 guy with a semblance of a D game on each. I figure Bozak was the guy on Phil's. Surely Kadri couldn't be considered defensive. Must have been Frattin he was meaning |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Sorry Lucas both Mac A and Grabo stunk that series. - LeafMan
this type of "analysis" is very flawed
when you look deeper in to the stats you see what was happening
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