Yeah, it's the lack of NHL experience that stalls that trade, but I think Lazar is probably very desirable for EDM. I don't think OTT would have to add very much to make that deal happen.
- Stringer74

Not many players that I would offers up Lazar in order to close a deal. Maybe Kane, certainly Couture.

On the other hand, if I am Edmonton I need help down the middle and on defense for opening night. So, the players I am most interested in are Zach Smith and Marc Methot. I want the size and I want the jam.

Not many players that I would offers up Lazar in order to close a deal. Maybe Kane, certainly Couture.

On the other hand, if I am Edmonton I need help down the middle and on defense for opening night. So, the players I am most interested in are Zach Smith and Marc Methot. I want the size and I want the jam.
- spatso

Smith, Methot, Greening may get Yak. Who knows really. And not just because I want to get rid of Greening. He and Yak are left wingers.

How about Krecji at $7.25 million - is there a better value contract in the NHL then Kyle Turris - straight up I think he's a better player then Krecji.

Also, if you're Bobby Ryan you are looking at that contract and thinking $7.5/year minimum or you just hang up the phone and wait for the summer of 2015 when you'll probably get $9 million/year from multiple teams

Did someone say Bozak?

How about Krecji at $7.25 million - is there a better value contract in the NHL then Kyle Turris - straight up I think he's a better player then Krecji.

Also, if you're Bobby Ryan you are looking at that contract and thinking $7.5/year minimum or you just hang up the phone and wait for the summer of 2015 when you'll probably get $9 million/year from multiple teams
- tuna99

How has Turris ever proved he's better then Krecji?

How has Turris ever proved he's better then Krecji?
- ClarksonDavid

I think he's better

I think he's better
- tuna99

im not so super sure about that...at least right now..i think that is a little not correct

I think he's better
- tuna99

Okay

im not so super sure about that...at least right now..i think that is a little not correct
- TheMike12

Turris- 162 Points in 316 games, 0.513 points per game, averages 42 points over a full season. Has only actually hit 40+ points once. (Though he basically did in lock-out season), Age 25

Krejci- 378 points in 504 games, 0.75 points per game, averages 62 points over a full season. Has hit 60+ points four times. Age 28

Turris- 162 Points in 316 games, 0.513 points per game, averages 42 points over a full season. Has only actually hit 40+ points once. (Though he basically did in lock-out season), Age 25

Krejci- 378 points in 504 games, 0.75 points per game, averages 62 points over a full season. Has hit 60+ points four times. Age 28
- BINGO!

yes the science agrees with me!

Turris- 162 Points in 316 games, 0.513 points per game, averages 42 points over a full season. Has only actually hit 40+ points once. (Though he basically did in lock-out season), Age 25

Krejci- 378 points in 504 games, 0.75 points per game, averages 62 points over a full season. Has hit 60+ points four times. Age 28
- BINGO!

Good lord. Yes Krejci is better, by a long shot.

This Turris nonsense is really getting out of hand. How about we just hope he plays well this season and go from there. If he becomes Gretzky, then the virtual blow jobs can continue.

yes the science agrees with me!
- TheMike12

How about Krecji at $7.25 million - is there a better value contract in the NHL then Kyle Turris - straight up I think he's a better player then Krecji.

Also, if you're Bobby Ryan you are looking at that contract and thinking $7.5/year minimum or you just hang up the phone and wait for the summer of 2015 when you'll probably get $9 million/year from multiple teams
- tuna99

I bit of a bold statement. I think Krecji is the better player now (in his prime) But Turris still has room to grow.

I'm hoping Ryan signs before trianing camp. $7.5 mill x 6 years (same as Heatley's old deal when he was a good hockey player)

Smith, Methot, Greening may get Yak. Who knows really. And not just because I want to get rid of Greening. He and Yak are left wingers.
- Stringer74

Who really knows? I really know that you're not getting Yakupov for Smith, Methot, and Greening, because that's not the way things work.

Also, I love Turris but it takes more than one good season before you can put him ahead of Krejci on any list. For instance, Turris has scored at a 50pts+ pace once in his career - Krejci has done it for each of the past 6 seasons. That's the difference between 'hoping' a player can do something, and a player actually doing that thing with consistency - and why one player makes a lot more money than the other.

Seriously, things are getting embarrassing around here.

Who really knows? I really know that you're not getting Yakupov for Smith, Methot, and Greening, because that's not the way things work.

Also, I love Turris but it takes more than one good season before you can put him ahead of Krejci on any list. For instance, Turris' has scored at a 50pts+ pace once in his career - Krejci has done it for each of the past 6 seasons. That's the difference between 'hoping' a player can do something, and a player actually doing that thing with consistency - and why one player makes a lot more money than the other.

Seriously, things are getting embarrassing around here.

- khawk

Well said. I love Turris as much as the next guy, I just don't see how he is getting all the accolades he's been getting. He has proven only that he is a great 2nd line centre. He has not proven he is a great 1st line centre or a guy you build a team around. That is what we are hoping to get in him as he is only 25. If people are satisfied with where he is now and where this team is, then that's great, but you better hope Zibby then becomes our 1st line centre. I'm in the walt and see camp. I think Turris can make a step and become more productive offensively. I don't think he'll ever get to 80 or 90 points regularly, but I don't think production of about 0.75 per game is out of the question. That mixed with Zibby providing solid numbers and play would put this team in a real good spot. However, they are not there yet, as some here would lead you to believe.

We could start another Turris Vs Bozak Debate
- david22

There is no debate.

There is no debate.
- AlfieisKing

What about stepan vs turris?

What about stepan vs turris?
- rangerdanger94

From a pure production standpoint, Stepan is WAY ahead. So far he averages about 15 points more per season. Also, he's younger.

Beyond that, do your own damn math.

What about stepan vs turris?
- rangerdanger94

that's a pretty damn good comparison. very similar. i think turris is a bit more of a goal scoring threat, and i'd like to see what his numbers will be if he gets a full and healthy season with ryan on his wing.

i'd give a very slight edge to turris.....very slight

as for krejci, i agree turris doesn't belong in that category right now.....maybe he'll get there, but right now he isn't. i've long felt that krejci is one of the more underrated players in the league.

From a pure production standpoint, Stepan is WAY ahead. So far he averages about 15 points more per season. Also, he's younger.

Beyond that, do your own damn math.
- BINGO!

the years turris was in phx, he was completely in tippet's dog house, and was playing minimal minutes mostly on the 4th line. he's been a completely different player in ottawa. if you look at their total production over their career, then you're probably right. if you only compare the years that they were both regular top six players, then it's pretty damn even. stepan has been a top six player in new york almost since day one.....which obviously means he's good, but which also has a huge impact on their career points averages

as for the age....turris is like 9 months older, not like we're comparing a 29 year old to a 23 year old. doesn't really factor in, imo

the years turris was in phx, he was completely in tippet's dog house, and was playing minimal minutes mostly on the 4th line. he's been a completely different player in ottawa. if you look at their total production over their career, then you're probably right. if you only compare the years that they were both regular top six players, then it's pretty damn even. stepan has been a top six player in new york almost since day one.....which obviously means he's good, but which also has a huge impact on their career points averages
- sensarmy_11

Turris was junk in Phoenix, though. he was in Tippet's dog house because he didn't want to be in Phoenix in the first place.

I have mixed feelings on the Turris talk. I have always had a bias towards centers that play a strong 200' game. In his prime, Mike Fisher was the best 200' center to play for Ottawa. Alfredsson was the best overall 2 way player with Hossa as a close second. Most of the guys commenting on this discussion probably don't understand exactly why Toews or Bergeron are regarded as top 5 centers in the NHL. Had they not led their teams to Stanley Cups or had leading roles in the Olympics a lot of people would say they are good players but not elite.

If you put Turris on Chicago playing behind Toews (in place of Shaw) then some of you might just realize how strong a team player he is. Did you notice when MacArthur signed his new deal who he gave the credit to? The players understand who plays the game at an elite level.

Drives me crazy how people use statistics to invalidate the obvious. But look at the goal differential for Boston, Chicago and for Ottawa. Now look at the goal differential for the top scoring centers on each team Krecji, Bergeron, Toews, Shaw, Spezza and Turris. If you look at the individual performance in relation to team performance you begin to get some insight into how big Turris played last year.

People want Turris to improve on last year's number. I hope he just duplicates last year (+22). If the other guys pick up the slack the Sens will contend. Remember the Senators goal is not score more goals. It is to reduce GA by 50.

Turris was junk in Phoenix, though. he was in Tippet's dog house because he didn't want to be in Phoenix in the first place.
- BINGO!

no doubt, i'm not disputing that, although on the rare occasion that he was given actual top six time, he played well.

i'm just pointing it out because you mentioned that stepan was 15pts per year ahead on average, which is deceiving because of turris' time in pxh. if you take that average since turris arrived in ottawa, it's significantly closer.

since turris arrived in ottawa:

50 goals, 116 pts, in 179 games, +40

in that same time, stepan:

45 goals, 131pts, in 179 games, +51

it's pretty damn close.....and stepan has put up his numbers playing on a much better team (over that time period)

I have mixed feelings on the Turris talk. I have always had a bias towards centers that play a strong 200' game. In his prime, Mike Fisher was the best 200' center to play for Ottawa. Alfredsson was the best overall 2 way player with Hossa as a close second. Most of the guys commenting on this discussion probably don't understand exactly why Toews or Bergeron are regarded as top 5 centers in the NHL. Had they not led their teams to Stanley Cups or had leading roles in the Olympics a lot of people would say they are good players but not elite.

If you put Turris on Chicago playing behind Toews (in place of Shaw) then some of you might just realize how strong a team player he is. Did you notice when MacArthur signed his new deal who he gave the credit to? The players understand who plays the game at an elite level.

Drives me crazy how people use statistics to invalidate the obvious. But look at the goal differential for Boston, Chicago and for Ottawa. Now look at the goal differential for the top scoring centers on each team Krecji, Bergeron, Toews, Shaw, Spezza and Turris. If you look at the individual performance in relation to team performance you begin to get some insight into how big Turris played last year.

People want Turris to improve on last year's number. I hope he just duplicates last year (+22). If the other guys pick up the slack the Sens will contend. Remember the Senators goal is not score more goals. It is to reduce GA by 50.
- spatso

A lot of credit is due to Coach mac - he's had a lot of people slamming him but he knew last season was a write off so he used his young players (Turris, Smith, Karlsson, Cowen, Greening, Ceci) an big minute rolls and played them more then they probably deserved - their development last year playing so many minutes and so many high end and tough minutes will really benefit Ottawa this year when they play more in their slots - Smith will be a 13-14 minute player and not a 17 minute player - karlsson will be able to handle the big minutes better because he's been through it once now, Greening will be better at 12-13 minutes then the 15 he was averaging last year, same with Cowen.

I know the coach was almost run out of town but I;m behind him 100% - if there is a reason to believe Ottawa can make the playoffs it is because our young guns played so many big and important minutes last year and we will see that pay off this year.

I have mixed feelings on the Turris talk. I have always had a bias towards centers that play a strong 200' game. In his prime, Mike Fisher was the best 200' center to play for Ottawa. Alfredsson was the best overall 2 way player with Hossa as a close second. Most of the guys commenting on this discussion probably don't understand exactly why Toews or Bergeron are regarded as top 5 centers in the NHL. Had they not led their teams to Stanley Cups or had leading roles in the Olympics a lot of people would say they are good players but not elite.

If you put Turris on Chicago playing behind Toews (in place of Shaw) then some of you might just realize how strong a team player he is. Did you notice when MacArthur signed his new deal who he gave the credit to? The players understand who plays the game at an elite level.

Drives me crazy how people use statistics to invalidate the obvious. But look at the goal differential for Boston, Chicago and for Ottawa. Now look at the goal differential for the top scoring centers on each team Krecji, Bergeron, Toews, Shaw, Spezza and Turris. If you look at the individual performance in relation to team performance you begin to get some insight into how big Turris played last year.

People want Turris to improve on last year's number. I hope he just duplicates last year (+22). If the other guys pick up the slack the Sens will contend. Remember the Senators goal is not score more goals. It is to reduce GA by 50.
- spatso

listen, i love turris, i think he's a great player, but to mention him in the same breath as toews or bergeron is ridiculous.

he plays the same kind of complete game that those guys do, but no where near as well. those guys are elite, turris is just really good.

right now he belongs in the conversation with guys like stepan, couture, etc....not saying he's better than those guys, but they're all guys who are very good, but not elite yet. they're a level or two below guys like toews, bergeron, crosby, getzlaf, giroux, etc

turris has potential, a great 200 foot game, he could conceivably put up 30 goals and 70pts with a healthy ryan on his wing......and if he does that on a regular basis, then maybe you can start putting him in the same sentence as bergeron or krejci......IMO (which i feel most people will share) he'll never be in the same class as guys like giroux, toews, etc