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Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Aug 31 @ 12:26 PM ET
So is there any solid word on if or who might be a training camp invitee?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 31 @ 12:30 PM ET
So is there any solid word on if or who might be a training camp invitee?
- Buzzo


Nope, not that I've heard. I don't think they are inviting anyone, just gonna go with what they already have.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 31 @ 12:34 PM ET
What's with the obsession with Bobby Ryan? He has slick finish but I don't see the compete level and playoff type warrior traits that I see in any of the top 2 lines from the L.A. Kings. Is it because people think he'd pair amazingly with Giroux?

I hope it's not because of the Cherry Hill thing. Cherry Hill is that pesky little village you sometimes get stuck in traffic when heading to the Ben Franklin.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 31 @ 12:35 PM ET
So is there any solid word on if or who might be a training camp invitee?
- Buzzo

I don't really see the need to invite a forward with the amount of guys capable of playing those positions already.

I might take a look a D man that could come cheap and look to move Grossmann out for a pick and cap relief. McBain, Morris, Corvo are guys that could come in for a year and bridge the gap til one of our AHL guys is ready.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 31 @ 12:38 PM ET
What's with the obsession with Bobby Ryan? He has slick finish but I don't see the compete level and playoff type warrior traits that I see in any of the top 2 lines from the L.A. Kings. Is it because people think he'd pair amazingly with Giroux?

I hope it's not because of the Cherry Hill thing. Cherry Hill is that pesky little village you sometimes get stuck in traffic when heading to the Ben Franklin.

- Pixote Andolini

It's largely the Cherry Hill thing for most people here, whether they admit to it or not. The team does need a high skill LW, preferably with strong board play. There is no arguing that. Ryan is in line to be the top UFA next offseason so yeah, there are a lot of teams drooling over him right now.

I would take him as a UFA. I'm not trading assets for him. And Vinny has to be moved(with no cap retention). That's the only way I would take him.
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

Aug 31 @ 12:39 PM ET
Thanks Bill. Great stuff to keep us occupied while we wait for the season to start. Much appreciated.
Any suggestions on who will be playing left wing on G's line this season? I can't wait to next summer to see who hurts their hand; it seems like G has started a trend lol. I would have suggested Hartz, but he's gone.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 31 @ 12:43 PM ET
It's largely the Cherry Hill thing for most people here, whether they admit to it or not. The team does need a high skill LW, preferably with strong board play. There is no arguing that. Ryan is in line to be the top UFA next offseason so yeah, there are a lot of teams drooling over him right now.

I would take him as a UFA. I'm not trading assets for him. And Vinny has to be moved(with no cap retention). That's the only way I would take him.

- hereticpride


Another point I forgot to consider is the fact that he grew up with ties to Bobby Clarke and was a Flyers fan.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 31 @ 12:53 PM ET
Another point I forgot to consider is the fact that he grew up with ties to Bobby Clarke and was a Flyers fan.
- Pixote Andolini

There is that too. Clarke is really nothing more than a figurehead at this point though. Ryan has no ties to Hextall, Snider, Berube or any of the coaching staff. Those are the people with the input here.

I do think he would pair nicely with Giroux and Jake but it's the money that concerns me. If he goes to UFA there will be teams that offer him 7mil a year. Maybe if he really wants to play here he'd sign for a bit less but I have zero reason to believe that would happen. We hear it every time from Leafs fans when a Toronto native hits free agency and it never happens. The Wild seem to be the only team with that luck but even then Parise and Suter certainly didn't take much of a discount to go home.

I just cant see how you add a 7 million dollar a year player to this roster without creating big holes elsewhere.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 31 @ 1:00 PM ET
There is that too. Clarke is really nothing more than a figurehead at this point though. Ryan has no ties to Hextall, Snider, Berube or any of the coaching staff. Those are the people with the input here.

I do think he would pair nicely with Giroux and Jake but it's the money that concerns me. If he goes to UFA there will be teams that offer him 7mil a year. Maybe if he really wants to play here he'd sign for a bit less but I have zero reason to believe that would happen. We hear it every time from Leafs fans when a Toronto native hits free agency and it never happens. The Wild seem to be the only team with that luck but even then Parise and Suter certainly didn't take much of a discount to go home.

I just cant see how you add a 7 million dollar a year player to this roster without creating big holes elsewhere.

- hereticpride


Yeah, I can only see it happening if they are able to move both VLC and Umberger.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 31 @ 1:02 PM ET
There is that too. Clarke is really nothing more than a figurehead at this point though. Ryan has no ties to Hextall, Snider, Berube or any of the coaching staff. Those are the people with the input here.

I do think he would pair nicely with Giroux and Jake but it's the money that concerns me. If he goes to UFA there will be teams that offer him 7mil a year. Maybe if he really wants to play here he'd sign for a bit less but I have zero reason to believe that would happen. We hear it every time from Leafs fans when a Toronto native hits free agency and it never happens. The Wild seem to be the only team with that luck but even then Parise and Suter certainly didn't take much of a discount to go home.

I just cant see how you add a 7 million dollar a year player to this roster without creating big holes elsewhere.

- hereticpride


I agree. Parise and Suter took less then they could've gotten elsewhere, but I'd hardly call it a discount. I like Ryan, and wouldn't mind him with the Flyers. But the cost has to be right.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 31 @ 1:10 PM ET
I agree. Parise and Suter took less then they could've gotten elsewhere, but I'd hardly call it a discount. I like Ryan, and wouldn't mind him with the Flyers. But the cost has to be right.
- MJL

Yeah definitely. Wouldn't it be amazing if the Flyers were able to grow a legitimate 1st line scoring winger from within the organization through drafting? So much cheaper. Is Schenn that guy (probably not as he's a natural center). Perhaps Wayne Simmonds?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 31 @ 1:14 PM ET
It's largely the Cherry Hill thing for most people here, whether they admit to it or not. The team does need a high skill LW, preferably with strong board play. There is no arguing that. Ryan is in line to be the top UFA next offseason so yeah, there are a lot of teams drooling over him right now.

I would take him as a UFA. I'm not trading assets for him. And Vinny has to be moved(with no cap retention). That's the only way I would take him.

- hereticpride

For me the fact Ryan is/was a local kid and a fan growing up helps. He made controversial comments nearing his end with the Ducks that he'd like to play for the Flyers, so there is some passion there. Now, is he the best and most suitable fit for the Flyers, probably not but he might be the best player available in 10-11 months and he may want to hear what the Flyers have to say first. I want a scorer to play with Giroux. Voracek is fine, I like him but he doesn't shoot nearly as much as I would like for a guy who is likely not to be separated from Giroux. Again, it would be great to pick up Kane with the Jets but we don't even know if he's available, regardless if the player is happy there or not.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 31 @ 1:16 PM ET
Yeah definitely. Wouldn't it be amazing if the Flyers were able to grow a legitimate 1st line scoring winger from within the organization through drafting? So much cheaper. Is Schenn that guy (probably not as he's a natural center). Perhaps Wayne Simmonds?
- Pixote Andolini

People keep saying Schenn is a natural center but I don't really buy it. He doesn't look out of place on center or wing to me. He just needs to find more of the desire to be more of an impact player, the same way he played in the 2010 World jr's for example.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 31 @ 1:17 PM ET
What's with the obsession with Bobby Ryan? He has slick finish but I don't see the compete level and playoff type warrior traits that I see in any of the top 2 lines from the L.A. Kings. Is it because people think he'd pair amazingly with Giroux?
- Pixote Andolini


Did anyone see that in Gaborik till he went to LA?

But I wouldn't go above $6 million AAV for Ryan. And I don't know if the Flyers will have that kind of room to spare.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 31 @ 1:18 PM ET
Did anyone see that in Gaborik till he went to LA?

But I wouldn't go above $6 million AAV for Ryan. And I don't know if the Flyers will have that kind of room to spare.

- Feanor

I did. Gaborik was hurt most of the season but prior has made a living out of scoring.

Edit

I think I was more surprised with Justin Williams but never realized he'd already had a history of such clutch play.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Aug 31 @ 1:45 PM ET
It's largely the Cherry Hill thing for most people here, whether they admit to it or not. The team does need a high skill LW, preferably with strong board play. There is no arguing that. Ryan is in line to be the top UFA next offseason so yeah, there are a lot of teams drooling over him right now.

I would take him as a UFA. I'm not trading assets for him. And Vinny has to be moved(with no cap retention). That's the only way I would take him.

- hereticpride


I agree with the 2nd paragraph. Let other teams give up players for him. I would just sit and wait and see what happens and the end of 2015. He's a good player but I feel he is going to be in for a huge a pay day I'm not sure the Flyers can afford.
GodIsaCatholic
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 31 @ 1:51 PM ET
Née ha boys!!!!
Neeee haaaaaaa!
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 31 @ 1:59 PM ET
Née ha boys!!!!
Neeee haaaaaaa!

- GodIsaCatholic



sup god
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Aug 31 @ 2:22 PM ET
Née ha boys!!!!
Neeee haaaaaaa!

- GodIsaCatholic


why do you never answer my calls?
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Aug 31 @ 2:52 PM ET
Is it camp time yet? So over the summer.

Foppa Highlight video.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw9L2FatCgc
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 31 @ 2:54 PM ET
Yeah definitely. Wouldn't it be amazing if the Flyers were able to grow a legitimate 1st line scoring winger from within the organization through drafting? So much cheaper. Is Schenn that guy (probably not as he's a natural center). Perhaps Wayne Simmonds?
- Pixote Andolini


The Flyers did grow a legitimate 1st line scoring Winger in Carter. Whom they used to acquire Voracek, who is also a legitimate 1st line scoring Winger.
GodIsaCatholic
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 31 @ 2:58 PM ET
sup god
- -davies-

Doing good lady
Got kicked out of my old church not sure why...
But found a new one today with a really fire,and brimstone kinda preacher
How r yo?
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 31 @ 3:00 PM ET
Doing good lady
Got kicked out of my old church not sure why...
But found a new one today with a really fire,and brimstone kinda preacher
How r yo?

- GodIsaCatholic



oh fine, really just spending the summer working on my compound and adding to my wife collection.
GodIsaCatholic
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 31 @ 3:02 PM ET
why do you never answer my calls?
- KGBflyers10

Don't got a phone Lol put the old one down next to my spit bucket about 8 months ago and without knowing spit my tabaky out all over it and now she's broke
Tried getting mad at the phone people but didn't work
GodIsaCatholic
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 31 @ 3:04 PM ET
oh fine, really just spending the summer working on my compound and adding to my wife collection.
- -davies-

Compounds are my thing was born on one it's a sweet life
Send me some details and I can help you I lived in an upside down kiddy pool for a year and did it up really nice
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