Okay let's play this game, point out where I talked a out any teams goaltending or defense in these comments.
- Isles_since_6

Let's play the game where you said I am not allowed to point out BAD contracts because there is a BAD contract on the Leafs.

So therefore using your logic you can't talk about BAD defense on other teams because the Islanders have BAD defense.

He's actually a good writer. All three of these signings were not good. The Miller signing is good or bad depending on how you look at it.
- JVR_42_PK81

I'd like to know the details of the ntc? how can u determine whether it was a good or bad deal without the details of the deal? let alone not a minute played under that deal.

I'd like to know the details of the ntc? how can u determine whether it was a good or bad deal without the details of the deal? let alone not a minute played under that deal.
- hillbillydeluxe

Ok. I'm looking at it as he is overpaid. Which is fine if the team that overpaid him has a good chance of winning a Stanley cup in the next two years. As for Vancouver they didn't need him. He's getting pretty old. He won't be on the team after his 3 year deal is done. And if he is he won't be that good. Vancouver needs to look to the future. Get young players and develop.

To me this Miller signing just numbs Vancouver up to a 7th-10th place spot in the west for the next two years giving them a not so great draft pick or a mediocre playoff spot. I would of rolled with Lack and Marstrom and if they sucked the team would get a good draft pick and if they were good then hey you got a playoff spot and a great young goalie carrying you in the look forward to. Just my opinion on it IDC if you don't agree with me.

How is it abad move if it helps secure McDavid? Explain that Mr.Tanner.

Worst moves of the season, how about the way PK Subbans contract was handled, did you think of putting that in there when you decided to write about the blue jackets lol. What a horrible blogger.

Nice one James, way to ruffle Canuckle feathers, lol.

How is it abad move if it helps secure McDavid? Explain that Mr.Tanner.
- Nucker101

That is easy Nucker101, Miller improves their chances of finishing higher and lot of money spenet. McDavid would have come easier without Miller.

Ok. I'm looking at it as he is overpaid. Which is fine if the team that overpaid him has a good chance of winning a Stanley cup in the next two years. As for Vancouver they didn't need him. He's getting pretty old. He won't be on the team after his 3 year deal is done. And if he is he won't be that good. Vancouver needs to look to the future. Get young players and develop.

To me this Miller signing just numbs Vancouver up to a 7th-10th place spot in the west for the next two years giving them a not so great draft pick or a mediocre playoff spot. I would of rolled with Lack and Marstrom and if they sucked the team would get a good draft pick and if they were good then hey you got a playoff spot and a great young goalie carrying you in the look forward to. Just my opinion on it IDC if you don't agree with me.
- JVR_42_PK81

I was looking forward to Lack being the starter until Miller came along. I wish they could move Lack for a 1st round pick or prospect or package - who really knows managements plans for the goal tender position in the future? I think we have some good g prospects in the system.

I don't really think overpayment is an issue unless we are at the cap ceiling and we are not and it was a ufa signing so it is that inflated ufa price...

It is too early to decide on Miller, will he bounce back from what he has shown in St.L? He seems to like a lot of shots, but so did Lou.

I was looking forward to Lack being the starter until Miller came along. I wish they could move Lack for a 1st round pick or prospect or package - who really knows managements plans for the goal tender position in the future? I think we have some good g prospects in the system.

I don't really think overpayment is an issue unless we are at the cap ceiling and we are not and it was a ufa signing so it is that inflated ufa price...

It is too early to decide on Miller, will he bounce back from what he has shown in St.L? He seems to like a lot of shots, but so did Lou.
- hillbillydeluxe

Personally I still think Lack comes back to steal the job from Ryan. Ryan will lose it but not for the Lack of trying, lol. oh my sad sick humour

I was looking forward to Lack being the starter until Miller came along. I wish they could move Lack for a 1st round pick or prospect or package - who really knows managements plans for the goal tender position in the future? I think we have some good g prospects in the system.

I don't really think overpayment is an issue unless we are at the cap ceiling and we are not and it was a ufa signing so it is that inflated ufa price...

It is too early to decide on Miller, will he bounce back from what he has shown in St.L? He seems to like a lot of shots, but so did Lou.
- hillbillydeluxe

Should if stayed away from Miller. Would of gotten a good position in the lottery. Or could of surprised everyone withought Miller. I thought the Nucks would of targeted Barzal.

Worst moves of the season, how about the way PK Subbans contract was handled, did you think of putting that in there when you decided to write about the blue jackets lol. What a horrible blogger.
- Canuck1413

In fairness, they got it right at the end of the day.

Montreal Canadians owner got it right by stepping in, pretty big gamble when you're betting your star player so no, they didn't get it right, they got lucky it ended up like it did.

Should if stayed away from Miller. Would of gotten a good position in the lottery. Or could of surprised everyone withought Miller. I thought the Nucks would of targeted Barzal.
- JVR_42_PK81

Not arguing about should have, it's done.

Trying to line yourself up for McDavid may be interesting to joke about, but I don't think we were really going to be in the bottom 3 with or without Miller.

Trying to set your team up to not be competitive in order to snag a lower draft pick is like playing with fire. None of these picks are guaranteed. Stuff happens. Look at the Oilers, once you are in the basement, how long to get out of it, how many top picks does it take? Still waiting on that answer.

Yes, it is probably too early. Of course these moves could all work out wonderfully. I just figure, as of right now , they seem like misguided decisions.
Secondly, I don't think Torts had anything to do with Vancouver not being a good team. The role of the coach is overrated. I doubt they have any more points if Mike Babcock was their coach. Finally, I don't see why Lack needs time to develop - goalies basically are as good as their team. My biggest problem with this signing is that they might has well of just kept Luongo in this situation and it's going to force them to get rid of a young goalie who perhaps will be quite good.
- James_Tanner

Yep, Kings probably would have won the cup with Torts as their coach. Sutter was just a warm body....

Let's play the game where you said I am not allowed to point out BAD contracts because there is a BAD contract on the Leafs.

So therefore using your logic you can't talk about BAD defense on other teams because the Islanders have BAD defense.
- JVR_42_PK81

You're awfully sensitive about that contract aren't you?

Not arguing about should have, it's done.

Trying to line yourself up for McDavid may be interesting to joke about, but I don't think we were really going to be in the bottom 3 with or without Miller.

Trying to set your team up to not be competitive in order to snag a lower draft pick is like playing with fire. None of these picks are guaranteed. Stuff happens. Look at the Oilers, once you are in the basement, how long to get out of it, how many top picks does it take? Still waiting on that answer.
- hillbillydeluxe

I thought the Miller signing was okay, I can't see the fan base too happy about tanking, but I know there's a bunch of Canucks fans who think the whole thing should have been blown up. Lack can split starts with Miller until they're sure he can handle the workload.

you'd think they did with some of the comments.

Isles have enough cap space they can afford to overpay someone, and taking a gamble on a guy who could likely still play a checking role isn't a bad option when it also gets you his buddy grabovski who helps our forward depth.

It's pretty well known too that the Isles have had difficulty attracting ufas, so an overpayment should be expected, but it's not team cap restricting considering they have a heck of a lot of space and still can move out a body or two up front.

I'd rather see my team overspend on kule and grabovski than try and turn david booth back into a productive hockey player.
- Isles_since_6

I like the low risk short term deals the leafs handed out.

The UFA market is a huge roll of the dice. Many more disappointments/failures than successes over the last 3 years to teams handing out long-term contracts.

Yep, Kings probably would have won the cup with Torts as their coach. Sutter was just a warm body....
- smkuchta

I think he is trying to point out a coach dosnt make or brake a season. Kind of what all Nucks fans are blaming last season on.

You're awfully sensitive about that contract aren't you?
- Isles_since_6

Nope not one bit. I'm happy when other teams overpay any if our free agents.

Montreal Canadians owner got it right by stepping in, pretty big gamble when you're betting your star player so no, they didn't get it right, they got lucky it ended up like it did.
- Canuck1413

They got a lucky bounce of the contract right onto PK's desk.

I like the low risk short term deals the leafs handed out.

The UFA market is a huge roll of the dice. Many more disappointments/failures than successes over the last 3 years to teams handing out long-term contracts.
- Tumbleweed

I agree with you, in a perfect world kulemin would have been given a much lower dollar amount and shorter term, but when you're a team that hasn't been able to sign anyone for years you end up overpaying. That said, it does add to our forward depth and they're not being expected to score 30 goals each. I'd be happy with 20-25 from grabovski and 12-15 from kulemin with decent two way play.

I think he is trying to point out a coach dosnt make or brake a season. Kind of what all Nucks fans are blaming last season on.
- JVR_42_PK81

to an extent you're correct, but torts tried to make that team last year play a style it wasn't built for and overplayed the hell out of the sedins. They were in a playoff position before christmas, then ran out of gas and bottomed out. I don't see them as a playoff team this year, but I also don't see them as a bottom 5 team. Edge of the playoff picture, probably just short. Torts isn't entirely to blame, but that team should never have been playing that style. Do leaf fans want to see kessel out blocking shots on the pk? I wouldn't want to see Tavares doing that, putting your key offensive guys in situations where they can break a foot or hand isn't a smart situation. The team also didn't seem to be any good on the transition from defense to offense either, which was a strength previously.

Not arguing about should have, it's done.

Trying to line yourself up for McDavid may be interesting to joke about, but I don't think we were really going to be in the bottom 3 with or without Miller.

Trying to set your team up to not be competitive in order to snag a lower draft pick is like playing with fire. None of these picks are guaranteed. Stuff happens. Look at the Oilers, once you are in the basement, how long to get out of it, how many top picks does it take? Still waiting on that answer.
- hillbillydeluxe

I'm not saying they should set up for failure. Just a season to give the young players a chance to play and develop. Put Lack and Markstrom in to try and be competitive but even if you do or don't they go farther into there development.

I'm not saying they should set up for failure. Just a season to give the young players a chance to play and develop. Put Lack and Markstrom in to try and be competitive but even if you do or don't they go farther into there development.
- JVR_42_PK81

Maybe the song has been played to death, but I believe Canuck management has said if a young player makes the team, then they make the team.

Putting young guys into the league that aren't ready to play can screw them up. I want to see some of the young guys in the lineup, but if they aren't ready it hurts more than it helps.

Different philosophies about youth movements and what it takes to win. It is just dangerous to not try to be the best team you can be because once you start losing, it can be hard to stop losing.

Maybe the song has been played to death, but I believe Canuck management has said if a young player makes the team, then they make the team.

Putting young guys into the league that aren't ready to play can screw them up. I want to see some of the young guys in the lineup, but if they aren't ready it hurts more than it helps.

Different philosophies about youth movements and what it takes to win. It is just dangerous to not try to be the best team you can be because once you start losing, it can be hard to stop losing.
- hillbillydeluxe

No harm at all signing Miller. If lack outplays him he'll get more games, if not he has time to develop as a backup and will still likely see 25-30 games. I don't see a downside to any of the Canucks signings this off-season.