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Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 8:37 PM ET
Shaw plays PP and has scpred more goals in one year than Regin has in his whole career. Yeah, they're the same.

And you hate Sharp. So your opinion is a little iffy at best.

- Elbows15

Shaw has played on good teams, Regin has not. He initially earned my respect with his hustle, and cemented it with this play....

http://www.cbssports.com/...et-denies-blackhawks-goal

We could do much, much worse at 4C/13th FWD.

Also, Sharp sucks ass.
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 8:44 PM ET
What improved depth? Guys like Zach Smith, Matt Martin and the likes aren't going to suddenly start scoring goals. That is a lot of IFS.

Using this logic. Trade Kane or Toews. Their production can be replaced the same way. And really frees up cap space.

- Elbows15

Now who's opinion is suspect?
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 8:45 PM ET
What happened to 24?

There seems to be posts missing again.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:47 PM ET
Now who's opinion is suspect?
- Ogilthorpe2

Yours. That is your logic concerning Sharp.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:48 PM ET
Shaw has played on good teams, Regin has not. He initially earned my respect with his hustle, and cemented it with this play....

http://www.cbssports.com/...et-denies-blackhawks-goal

We could do much, much worse at 4C/13th FWD.

Also, Sharp sucks ass.

- Ogilthorpe2

Yeah. Shaw is also better. Regin blows.
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 8:53 PM ET
Yours. That is your logic concerning Sharp.
- Elbows15

Not even close, but I'm too exhausted to explain my logic yet again. You're too blinded by your bromance to get it.
StLBravesFan
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Aug 16 @ 8:55 PM ET
Shaw has played on good teams, Regin has not. He initially earned my respect with his hustle, and cemented it with this play....

http://www.cbssports.com/...et-denies-blackhawks-goal

We could do much, much worse at 4C/13th FWD.

Also, Sharp sucks ass.

- Ogilthorpe2


I'd like to see Regin get a chance - he has good hockey sense, knows where the puck is ans what to do with it, good skater, maybe Perreault can help with the face offs.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:56 PM ET
What happened to 24?

There seems to be posts missing again.

- Ogilthorpe2

Nothing surprising there.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:57 PM ET
I'd like to see Regin get a chance - he has good hockey sense, knows where the puck is ans what to do with it, good skater, maybe Perreault can help with the face offs.
- StLBravesFan

He has had plenty of chances to show he is better than what he is. A marginal NHLer at best.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:58 PM ET
Not even close, but I'm too exhausted to explain my logic yet again. You're too blinded by your bromance to get it.
- Ogilthorpe2

Jokes on you. I don't even like Sharp. I just know he is a better option than Bickell, Morin or Versteeg as a first line winger.
prd797
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Aug 16 @ 9:02 PM ET
Shaw has played on good teams, Regin has not. He initially earned my respect with his hustle, and cemented it with this play....

http://www.cbssports.com/...et-denies-blackhawks-goal

We could do much, much worse at 4C/13th FWD.

Also, Sharp sucks ass.

- Ogilthorpe2


1) Yeah.

2) For last year's playoffs, yes, otherwise Sharp could've been much worse during the regular season. He's a better option at LW than anybody else the Hawks have at this point, so in that regard he doesn't suck ass.

Oh wait, never mind, it's Ogie saying Sharp sucks. I see you are back to the usual stance, then.
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 9:05 PM ET
He has had plenty of chances to show he is better than what he is. A marginal NHLer at best.
- Elbows15

Q.) Why did Oduya get better when he came to Chicago?

A.) He fit the system, and the talent around him increased dramatically.

Why is it so hard to imagine the same could happen with Regin at the 4C position? I think he could be Frolik part II.
z1990z
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Aug 16 @ 9:18 PM ET
Never confuse activity for accomplishment. He sucks at FO, doesn't kill penalties but he hustles. *sigh*
- Elbows15


K. 4th line who plays hard and simple. That's the defenition of 4th line hockey. Take him over versteeg any day.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 9:24 PM ET
Q.) Why did Oduya get better when he came to Chicago?

A.) He fit the system, and the talent around him increased dramatically.

Why is it so hard to imagine the same could happen with Regin at the 4C position? I think he could be Frolik part II.

- Ogilthorpe2

Why is it so hard to understand that it isn't going to happen to every player. Some players are just marginal NHLer. Regin is one.

And who is to say that Oduya became dramatically better? Looks like he was pretty good in NJ on some good teams there.

And which Frolik? The one who was useless for 2 seasons or the one who finally did something in a half of a season?
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 9:26 PM ET
1) Yeah.

2) For last year's playoffs, yes, otherwise Sharp could've been much worse during the regular season. He's a better option at LW than anybody else the Hawks have at this point, so in that regard he doesn't suck ass.

Oh wait, never mind, it's Ogie saying Sharp sucks. I see you are back to the usual stance, then.

- prd797


He is just a guy. Interchangeable with many others of his ilk.
DarthKane
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Aug 16 @ 9:34 PM ET
Q.) Why did Oduya get better when he came to Chicago?

A.) He fit the system, and the talent around him increased dramatically.

Why is it so hard to imagine the same could happen with Regin at the 4C position? I think he could be Frolik part II.

- Ogilthorpe2



This.
StLBravesFan
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Aug 16 @ 10:07 PM ET
He has had plenty of chances to show he is better than what he is. A marginal NHLer at best.
- Elbows15


Maybe - but a "marginal" player with a very good sense of where he is on the ice, where he has to get to - and I think I have seen the ability to get there.

Maybe in short spurts - and maybe not consistently enough to contribute - but I'd like to see him get the chance to prove - or disprove - that.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 10:19 PM ET
Maybe - but a "marginal" player with a very good sense of where he is on the ice, where he has to get to - and I think I have seen the ability to get there.

Maybe in short spurts - and maybe not consistently enough to contribute - but I'd like to see him get the chance to prove - or disprove - that.

- StLBravesFan

What is there to prove? This isn't a prospect. this is a guy who has been in the league for years. Sage. JFC, people and new players to this team. And he couldn't even stay on bad teams. whatever.
SimpleJack
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Aug 16 @ 11:17 PM ET
Bickell, assuming he's healthy, would be fine with 19 and 81. Wayne Sharp is not irreplaceable.
- Ogilthorpe2


And yet Leddy and/or Rozsival are? Bickell had FOUR ASSISTS IN FIFTY NINE GAMES LAST YEAR!!!! And u want him playing permanently on the top line?
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 11:26 PM ET
And yet Leddy and/or Rozsival are? Bickell had FOUR ASSISTS IN FIFTY NINE GAMES LAST YEAR!!!! And u want him playing permanently on the top line?
- SimpleJack

You'll never get it, and I'm done trying to explain it. Enjoy your top heavy, no quality depth, 2014/15 Blackhawks.

And for the record, I never said Jack poop about Rozsival being anything other than trade fodder.
SimpleJack
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Aug 17 @ 3:03 AM ET
You'll never get it, and I'm done trying to explain it. Enjoy your top heavy, no quality depth, 2014/15 Blackhawks.

And for the record, I never said Jack poop about Rozsival being anything other than trade fodder.

- Ogilthorpe2


Bickell - Shaw - Morin
Versteeg - Kruger - Smith

Thats one of the top 3-4 bottom 6's i can think of in the NHL. If Versteeg and Bickell have bounce back years and/or if Morin takes it to the next level then it might be THE best bottom 6. The Richards signing will help us keep Shaw(someone who's proven he can play in the top 6 if needed) on the 3rd line, and both Kruger and Smith(2 3rd line caliber players) on our 4th line, which is HUGE. Last year in the playoffs Shaw, Kruger, and Smith were moved around all over the place(especially Smith). We shouldn't have that problem anymore. Also Regin is there as a nice insurance option as a 13th forward.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
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Aug 17 @ 8:51 AM ET
Shaw has played on good teams, Regin has not. He initially earned my respect with his hustle, and cemented it with this play....

http://www.cbssports.com/...et-denies-blackhawks-goal

We could do much, much worse at 4C/13th FWD.

Also, Sharp sucks ass.

- Ogilthorpe2



Looking back on the series that was the 1st of many bounces that did not go the a Hawks way
StLBravesFan
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Aug 17 @ 9:27 AM ET
Looking back on the series that was the 1st of many bounces that did not go the a Hawks way
- mrpaulish


Wasn't the bad bounces - was the bad defense, bad coaching decisions, bad center play - blown 2-goal leads in games 2 and 4, third period melt-downs - no, they earned that loss.
Mr Ricochet
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Aug 17 @ 10:12 AM ET
Bickell - Shaw - Morin
Versteeg - Kruger - Smith

Thats one of the top 3-4 bottom 6's i can think of in the NHL. If Versteeg and Bickell have bounce back years and/or if Morin takes it to the next level then it might be THE best bottom 6. The Richards signing will help us keep Shaw(someone who's proven he can play in the top 6 if needed) on the 3rd line, and both Kruger and Smith(2 3rd line caliber players) on our 4th line, which is HUGE. Last year in the playoffs Shaw, Kruger, and Smith were moved around all over the place(especially Smith). We shouldn't have that problem anymore. Also Regin is there as a nice insurance option as a 13th forward.

- SimpleJack


Watched games 3-4-5 of the Hawks-STL series yesterday on NHLN, man there is so much parity in this league, and had forgotten how much Q played Smith in the top 6, and for long stretches and at center.

Anyone remember how much more Smith played in the top 6 in the MN and LA series? I can't remember. .....He's turned into quite a valuable tool for Q. Center or wing, top or bottom 6 and some PK duty.
Mr Ricochet
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Aug 17 @ 10:26 AM ET
Yeah. Shaw is also better. Regin blows.
- Elbows15


Elbows, what is it you don't like about this guy? At a towering (by Hawks standards) 6ft 2in, 190 LBS he's arguably the fastest skater on this team, is a + player in Corsi numbers (Q loves possession and speed), is willing to work along the wall and in the crease, hustles back on D, has good bottom 6 hands/skill, was talented enough to be drafted in the 3rd round, can play wing or center, is in his prime physically at 28 yrs old and maybe most importantly for me he will accept a role.

Inked at 650k!

Look at his #'s. http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=78679

He's played on some good and bad Ottawa clubs and a bad Isles team. In his only full season, 75 games, he hit double digits in goals with 29 points. I don't know which line he played on that year but I'd guess bottom 6. Nice numbers.

I just don't see what's not to like from a guy who would figure into a probable 4th line role that adds to team speed and isn't a midget on a team that needs some size.


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