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Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 5:18 PM ET
No one is irreplaceable. But thinking a guy who has never scored more than 17 goals is going to make a huge leap in production is unrealistic. This is not a young guy we are talking about.

Replacing a consistent 30 goal scorer is not as easy as you think.

- Elbows15

Assuming whoever replaces him on a line with Toews and Hossa never scores a single goal, which we both know is ludicrous, why is the highest scoring team in the league worried about losing a measly 30 goals?

How about better balance from all 4 lines? Maybe the top line scores 20 less, but line 3 scores 20 more because of improved depth? Or, here's an idea...maybe the FNG helps the team defensively resulting in 30 less goals against. Even Steven.
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Aug 16 @ 5:34 PM ET
No one is irreplaceable. But thinking a guy who has never scored more than 17 goals is going to make a huge leap in production is unrealistic. This is not a young guy we are talking about.

Replacing a consistent 30 goal scorer is not as easy as you think.

- Elbows15


Assuming they can get a lot more production on the second line with Richards (15 more than Handzus), Saad (10 more than last year) and Kane (10 more than last year), plus better production from more consistent third and fourth line play - I wouldn't worry about replacing Sharp's 30-35 goals.

Other things being equal, tho, I'd still rather have him for a Cup run as 1LW - really sets up four lines nicely, if (IF) a couple of bottom-6ers work out (Morin, Regin, Nordstrom, Versteeg, Bickell - give me two of those working out, along with Shaw, Smith, Kruger, ).

But - someone has to go....
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 5:44 PM ET
Assuming whoever replaces him on a line with Toews and Hossa never scores a single goal, which we both know is ludicrous, why is the highest scoring team in the league worried about losing a measly 30 goals?

How about better balance from all 4 lines? Maybe the top line scores 20 less, but line 3 scores 20 more because of improved depth? Or, here's an idea...maybe the FNG helps the team defensively resulting in 30 less goals against. Even Steven.

- Ogilthorpe2

What improved depth? Guys like Zach Smith, Matt Martin and the likes aren't going to suddenly start scoring goals. That is a lot of IFS.

Using this logic. Trade Kane or Toews. Their production can be replaced the same way. And really frees up cap space.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 5:45 PM ET
Assuming they can get a lot more production on the second line with Richards (15 more than Handzus), Saad (10 more than last year) and Kane (10 more than last year), plus better production from more consistent third and fourth line play - I wouldn't worry about replacing Sharp's 30-35 goals.

Other things being equal, tho, I'd still rather have him for a Cup run as 1LW - really sets up four lines nicely, if (IF) a couple of bottom-6ers work out (Morin, Regin, Nordstrom, Versteeg, Bickell - give me two of those working out, along with Shaw, Smith, Kruger, ).

But - someone has to go....

- StLBravesFan


While true. for this season you can get rid of players of much less importance to the team than Sharp.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 5:48 PM ET
And replacing one of the team's better possession player with two of the worst isn't going to improve the defense.
prd797
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Aug 16 @ 5:50 PM ET
While true. for this season you can get rid of players of much less importance to the team than Sharp.
- Elbows15


Versteeg to anybody willing for a box of donuts.

Rosy to whomever for picks

Resign Brookbank.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 5:51 PM ET
Assuming they can get a lot more production on the second line with Richards (15 more than Handzus), Saad (10 more than last year) and Kane (10 more than last year), plus better production from more consistent third and fourth line play - I wouldn't worry about replacing Sharp's 30-35 goals.

Other things being equal, tho, I'd still rather have him for a Cup run as 1LW - really sets up four lines nicely, if (IF) a couple of bottom-6ers work out (Morin, Regin, Nordstrom, Versteeg, Bickell - give me two of those working out, along with Shaw, Smith, Kruger, ).

But - someone has to go....

- StLBravesFan

In this scenario you are hoping for 2 guys to score 30 goals who never have. One,Saad, who would need a 50% increase in production. Seems pretty far-fetched to me, Sage.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 5:52 PM ET
Versteeg to anybody willing for a box of donuts.

Rosy to whomever for picks

Resign Brookbank.

- prd797

Why bother? Yes, he did a nice job for the Hawks but you are going to need those young D-men next season. Why not get them experience in a much more sheltered role before throwing them to the wolves?

Leddy, Versteeg and Regin for a pick. Clears space and keeps a much better veteran in Rozy to help mentor the kids.

Its the way I would go. Of course, Regin can be sent down and cost nothing in cap space. If you lose him, you lose him.
prd797
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Aug 16 @ 6:09 PM ET
Why bother? Yes, he did a nice job for the Hawks but you are going to need those young D-men next season. Why not get them experience in a much more sheltered role before throwing them to the wolves?

Leddy, Versteeg and Regin for a pick. Clears space and keeps a much better veteran in Rozy to help mentor the kids.

Its the way I would go. Of course, Regin can be sent down and cost nothing in cap space. If you lose him, you lose him.

- Elbows15


The way i see it, I bet you'd get Brookbank on the cheap, and he'd be a good option as a 6/7D. Rosy is only getting slower, he was more bad than good last year IMO and I expect that to continue.

At least both of us know getting rid of Versteeg seems to be the way to go.

I like that Regin has hustle and is cheap, but I don't really care whether he stays or goes in a given trade. Doesn't really make a trade any better though and I think he'll be here.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 6:31 PM ET
The way i see it, I bet you'd get Brookbank on the cheap, and he'd be a good option as a 6/7D. Rosy is only getting slower, he was more bad than good last year IMO and I expect that to continue.

At least both of us know getting rid of Versteeg seems to be the way to go.

I like that Regin has hustle and is cheap, but I don't really care whether he stays or goes in a given trade. Doesn't really make a trade any better though and I think he'll be here.

- prd797


Meh. To me its time for the kids. Guys like Regin, Brookbank, etc just get in the way. Those guys are who they are.
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Aug 16 @ 6:45 PM ET
While true. for this season you can get rid of players of much less importance to the team than Sharp.
- Elbows15


I'd prefer to keep Sharp - and still look for 30-35 more goals from the second line.
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Aug 16 @ 6:51 PM ET
In this scenario you are hoping for 2 guys to score 30 goals who never have. One,Saad, who would need a 50% increase in production. Seems pretty far-fetched to me, Sage.
- Elbows15


Not really - full time at 2LW with a (optimistically) quality center between him and Kane - give that line 30-35 more goals, however they fall. I do see a break out year for Saad.

Sharp staying (which I hope happens) has little effect on that, presumably.
eagle50
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Aug 16 @ 6:53 PM ET
Meh. To me its time for the kids. Guys like Regin, Brookbank, etc just get in the way. Those guys are who they are.
- Elbows15

So who do you believe Regin is blocking?Personally I think that he is insurance if Rasmussen doesn't stick.Versteeg probably is staying so a bounce back is needed, but that may not be too much of a stretch to see happen.
StLBravesFan
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Aug 16 @ 6:54 PM ET
Why bother? Yes, he did a nice job for the Hawks but you are going to need those young D-men next season. Why not get them experience in a much more sheltered role before throwing them to the wolves?

Leddy, Versteeg and Regin for a pick. Clears space and keeps a much better veteran in Rozy to help mentor the kids.

Its the way I would go. Of course, Regin can be sent down and cost nothing in cap space. If you lose him, you lose him.

- Elbows15


Do the kid defensemen make the team better for this year - or does Brookbank - that is the question - the only question - for every/any move they make - does it make the team better this year - I don't care about developing the kids for next year.
prd797
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Aug 16 @ 7:10 PM ET
Meh. To me its time for the kids. Guys like Regin, Brookbank, etc just get in the way. Those guys are who they are.
- Elbows15


I mean, those are the guys who would be getting scratched many nights anyway. A bottom pair d-man and a 12/13th forward. Don't really see how that's blocking kids that should be better suited to maxing their ice time in other leagues anyway.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 7:12 PM ET
Do the kid defensemen make the team better for this year - or does Brookbank - that is the question - the only question - for every/any move they make - does it make the team better this year - I don't care about developing the kids for next year.
- StLBravesFan

Its Sheldon Brookbank. He is a journeyman D-man who can't even find a place. I really don't think his talent level would be hard to match.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 7:15 PM ET
So who do you believe Regin is blocking?Personally I think that he is insurance if Rasmussen doesn't stick.Versteeg probably is staying so a bounce back is needed, but that may not be too much of a stretch to see happen.
- eagle50


Any guy who hasn't been in the league for 7 years and is better than him. So just about any center on the roster,
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 7:17 PM ET
I mean, those are the guys who would be getting scratched many nights anyway. A bottom pair d-man and a 12/13th forward. Don't really see how that's blocking kids that should be better suited to maxing their ice time in other leagues anyway.
- prd797


Meh. Regin sucks ass. If he is your insurance policy, you need a new agent.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 7:20 PM ET
Not really - full time at 2LW with a (optimistically) quality center between him and Kane - give that line 30-35 more goals, however they fall. I do see a break out year for Saad.

Sharp staying (which I hope happens) has little effect on that, presumably.

- StLBravesFan

Sharp isn't being traded this season. He would have been moved already. Neither is Oduya.

Look at the way SB does business. He trades guys going into their last year of a contract before or at the draft if he is going to move them.

I am betting Leddy is the odd man out. I also wouldn't be surprised to find someone on LTIR to start the season.
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 7:54 PM ET
Sharp isn't being traded this season. He would have been moved already. Neither is Oduya.

Look at the way SB does business. He trades guys going into their last year of a contract before or at the draft if he is going to move them.

I am betting Leddy is the odd man out. I also wouldn't be surprised to find someone on LTIR to start the season.

- Elbows15

Hopefully #10
z1990z
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Aug 16 @ 8:08 PM ET
Meh. Regin sucks ass. If he is your insurance policy, you need a new agent.
- Elbows15



Let's be reasonable. For a 4th line guy, Regin has good wheels, consistent hustle and plays tough along the wall. He's a solid vet. I have no issues with him manning that #4 C spot.
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 8:24 PM ET
Let's be reasonable. For a 4th line guy, Regin has good wheels, consistent hustle and plays tough along the wall. He's a solid vet. I have no issues with him manning that #4 C spot.
- z1990z

When did being reasonable become a requisite for a HB post?
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:25 PM ET
Let's be reasonable. For a 4th line guy, Regin has good wheels, consistent hustle and plays tough along the wall. He's a solid vet. I have no issues with him manning that #4 C spot.
- z1990z

Never confuse activity for accomplishment. He sucks at FO, doesn't kill penalties but he hustles. *sigh*
Ogilthorpe2
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Aug 16 @ 8:30 PM ET
Never confuse activity for accomplishment. He sucks at FO, doesn't kill penalties but he hustles. *sigh*
- Elbows15

Hustles, goes hard to the net, gets dirty along the wall.

Shaw sucks at faceoffs, Shaw doesn't PK, yet he's your hero.
Elbows15
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Aug 16 @ 8:34 PM ET
Hustles, goes hard to the net, gets dirty along the wall.

Shaw sucks at faceoffs, Shaw doesn't PK, yet he's your hero.

- Ogilthorpe2

Shaw plays PP and has scpred more goals in one year than Regin has in his whole career. Yeah, they're the same.

And you hate Sharp. So your opinion is a little iffy at best.
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