Technically it's a 1st for a 2nd.
- DarthKane

And in a very deep draft

DONE ...but again they are NOT trading Yakupov...new coach is very high on developing him.

He is Marcel Dionne like in that he has this tremendous set of rocket blasters but like Dionne, it is gonna take time for him to adjust the feet and hands to the play.

Sure right now he can one time the crap out of the puck, but he's gotta a whole lot more game to gain...and they are not trading the asset.
- wiz1901

Well said.

Technically it's a 1st for a 2nd.
- DarthKane

Who will give you a second round pick for his rights? Seems a bit high. It'd be a 5th or something

Edit: to be clear you're talking about Hayes still right?

Who will give you a second round pick for his rights? Seems a bit high. It'd be a 5th or something

Edit: to be clear you're talking about Hayes still right?
- ystoil

The 2nd is compensation, man.

Who will give you a second round pick for his rights? Seems a bit high. It'd be a 5th or something

Edit: to be clear you're talking about Hayes still right?
- ystoil

Much too high - 8th round pick for his rights seems about - uhhhh - right.

That is absurd cherry-picking to make a flawed (at best) point.

First, the jury is still out on Nordstrom. He showed growth throughout the regular season in Rockford and is heading into only his 2nd full year of North American hockey.

Second, we have yet to see Morin get a legit chance with the Hawks yet. That is coming this year, and the returns from late last regular season were promising.

Third, you choose to only list "busts," yet conveniently leave out Crawford, Bickell, Shaw, Saad, Leddy, Hjalmarsson, Bolland, Kruger, Smith, etc. - all legitimate NHL players, most playing key roles on Cup winning teams, all spent time in Rockford.

Fourth, you are writing off an entire crop of top prospects based off your flawed premise.

Fifth...just stop.
- BreakoutHockey

First: Hjalmer, Bickell and Bolland were developed under a different coaching system

Second: Shaw, Saad, Leddy didn't stagnate in the system, those three made it through talent and hard work. Not coaching.

Third: Smith has shown he's a solid NHL player. About as solid as he was 2 years ago and the same for Morin who was projected to play as a top 6 sniper. Best argument is he's been groomed down to an energy player or whatever but may never be the player he was projected.

Fourth: Crawford. Because there was nobody else.

Fifth: Norcstrom. Whatever

The 2nd is compensation, man.
- prd797

Is it guaranteed compensation from whatever team signs him? I'm not aware of this rule.

Is it guaranteed compensation from whatever team signs him? I'm not aware of this rule.
- ystoil

From the CBA:

8.3 Compensatory Draft Selections.
(a) In addition to the seven (7) rounds of the Entry Draft, there shall be an additional
number of Compensatory Draft Selections not to exceed the number of Clubs to be in the League
in the following League Year.
(b) In the event a Club loses its draft rights to an Unsigned Draft Choice drafted in
the first round of the Entry Draft (except as a result of failing to tender a required Bona Fide
Offer (as defined below)), who (i) is again eligible for the Entry Draft, (ii) becomes an
Unrestricted Free Agent, or (iii) dies, a Compensatory Draft Selection shall automatically be
granted to that Club, which Compensatory Draft Selection shall be the same numerical choice in
the second round in the Entry Draft immediately following the date the Club loses such rights.
By way of example, if a Club cannot sign the third pick in the first round, it will receive the third
pick in the second round as compensation.

From the CBA:

8.3 Compensatory Draft Selections.
(a) In addition to the seven (7) rounds of the Entry Draft, there shall be an additional
number of Compensatory Draft Selections not to exceed the number of Clubs to be in the League
in the following League Year.
(b) In the event a Club loses its draft rights to an Unsigned Draft Choice drafted in
the first round of the Entry Draft (except as a result of failing to tender a required Bona Fide
Offer (as defined below)), who (i) is again eligible for the Entry Draft, (ii) becomes an
Unrestricted Free Agent, or (iii) dies, a Compensatory Draft Selection shall automatically be
granted to that Club, which Compensatory Draft Selection shall be the same numerical choice in
the second round in the Entry Draft immediately following the date the Club loses such rights.
By way of example, if a Club cannot sign the third pick in the first round, it will receive the third
pick in the second round as compensation.
- Tanuki

Thanks

Was this part of the old cba too when the oilers signed Schultz? Did thr ducks get a pick? I don't recall.

From the CBA:

8.3 Compensatory Draft Selections.
(a) In addition to the seven (7) rounds of the Entry Draft, there shall be an additional
number of Compensatory Draft Selections not to exceed the number of Clubs to be in the League
in the following League Year.
(b) In the event a Club loses its draft rights to an Unsigned Draft Choice drafted in
the first round of the Entry Draft (except as a result of failing to tender a required Bona Fide
Offer (as defined below)), who (i) is again eligible for the Entry Draft, (ii) becomes an
Unrestricted Free Agent, or (iii) dies, a Compensatory Draft Selection shall automatically be
granted to that Club, which Compensatory Draft Selection shall be the same numerical choice in
the second round in the Entry Draft immediately following the date the Club loses such rights.
By way of example, if a Club cannot sign the third pick in the first round, it will receive the third
pick in the second round as compensation.
- Tanuki

So since Justin Schultz was drafted in the 2nd round, Anaheim received nothing? Or was that the old CBA?

Thanks

Was this part of the old cba too when the oilers signed Schultz? Did thr ducks get a pick? I don't recall.
- ystoil

Schultz was a 2nd rounder.

Schultz was a 2nd rounder.
- Jeropotato

I know but did they get any comp?

Crap - Cimaglia and Kuc now are saying that Hayes won't sign with the Hawks.

Why didn't we hear about this earlier?
- StLBravesFan

No teams with second rounders that walk are not compensated at the draft.

Back to leddy. I doubt Stan wants to trade him at all. He won the trade with Minnesota in acquiring him. I think the factors that might lead to a trade are Leddy's salary, the fact that after this upcoming season he likely will want even more $$$ which even now is way too much for a third pairing guy AND since it obvious the hawks are "going for it" in 2014-15, there is almost no way they are going to subtract from the team as it is currently constructed and make it worse. That's why sharp is going nowhere and Oduya is going nowhere.

Having said all that, the hawks not just going to give leddy away, nor are they going to take salary back. So what is leddy worth draft pick wise ? I honestly don't know. But a former first rounder with 4 years of NHL experience who will likely play in somebody's top 4 (otherwise why would they trade for him ?) should bring a decent pick or picks.

sooo Sharp for Niklas Backstrom??

crickets...what do you Hawks fans actually have lives or something?? whats up with that?

crickets...what do you Hawks fans actually have lives or something?? whats up with that?
- EnzoD

It's tough to talk/propose trades on here anyway just for sh!ts and giggles, it doesn't seem likke there's any players that are good enough to interest you guys that are not already Blackhawks.....

It's tough to talk/propose trades on here anyway just for sh!ts and giggles, it doesn't seem likke there's any players that are good enough to interest you guys that are not already Blackhawks.....
- Jeropotato

if only you still had a diminutive 2nd line center that had underachieved..then we'd be talking Leddy deals

if only you still had a diminutive 2nd line center that had underachieved..then we'd be talking Leddy deals
- EnzoD

Not even...too much cash. He would have been a decent weapon for ya tho

Not even...too much cash. He would have been a decent weapon for ya tho
- Jeropotato

I still have nightmares about his 9 point game vs the Hawks..

I still have nightmares about his 9 point game vs the Hawks..
- EnzoD

Yeah, we have had about 1 highlight game per year for the past 2 years and that was one of them.

Yeah, we have had about 1 highlight game per year for the past 2 years and that was one of them.
- Jeropotato

I mean what do you expect when you have 5 years of top draft picks and you take 3 guys under 5'11" 185lbs...Eberle, RNH, Yakupov....just think if they had taken Galchenyuk instead of Yak..who knows where you'd be. Or Landescog instead of RNH....or ANYONE besides Magnus Pajarvikjdafdlkj....drafting has been the downfall of the Oilers and has wasted their years of sorrow and thus EXTENDED them....

I mean what do you expect when you have 5 years of top draft picks and you take 3 guys under 5'11" 185lbs...Eberle, RNH, Yakupov....just think if they had taken Galchenyuk instead of Yak..who knows where you'd be. Or Landescog instead of RNH....or ANYONE besides Magnus Pajarvikjdafdlkj....drafting has been the downfall of the Oilers and has wasted their years of sorrow and thus EXTENDED them....
- EnzoD

That's is so wrong in so many ways I don't know where to start. The problem isn't with the 1st round drafting, it's with the supporting cast.

That's is so wrong in so many ways I don't know where to start. The problem isn't with the 1st round drafting, it's with the supporting cast.
- Jeropotato

so you would argue that RNH and Yakupov were effective #1 overall picks? I would argue that while the Oilers depth has been equivalent to most AHL squads, the problem begins and ends with the small forwards up front that cannot defend in their own zone and struggle along the boards.

so you would argue that RNH and Yakupov were effective #1 overall picks? I would argue that while the Oilers depth has been equivalent to most AHL squads, the problem begins and ends with the small forwards up front that cannot defend in their own zone and struggle along the boards.
- EnzoD

Cliche cliche cliche cliche.