The duo combined for 83 even strength points. That is as elite as it gets.
- Feds91Stammer

Perry and Getzlaf only combined for 128 even strength points.
Crosby and Kunitz - 112
Seguin and Benn - 116

Perry and Getzlaf only combined for 128 even strength points.
Crosby and Kunitz - 112
Seguin and Benn - 116
- Feds91Stammer

Who said they were Perry and Getzlaf?

But how important or useful is being an "elite GF% duo" if it results in one half of the duo scoring just 48 points? Anyone can write a blog that makes a certain player look elite in one specific category. What the hell is the point of this? This blog is just Todd trying to talk up a couple Devils players in any way he can. What a useless statistical analysis.
- RAGSareDANGERus

Crosby scores a ton of points and helps his linemates score a ton of points. While Jagr and Zajac didn't output as much as Crosby+Kunitz or other tandems, they prevented their opposition from scoring a lot which is just as valuable.

It's fine if you don't understand statistics but just because you don't understand it don't pretend that they don't make any sense or how they are useless. Your ignorance is a reflection on you, not the blog post.

Who said they were Perry and Getzlaf?
- willschulme

Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin. Sidney Crosby and Chris Kunitz.

Those duos are generally associated with greatness when it comes to looking at some of the most fearsome combinations in the NHL.

I was looking through some data - I knew the duo of Travis Zajac and Jaromir Jagr was excellent - and it turns out those two are on the same wavelength as the rest of the NHL's top combinations.

Crosby scores a ton of points and helps his linemates score a ton of points. While Jagr and Zajac didn't output as much as Crosby+Kunitz or other tandems, they prevented their opposition from scoring a lot which is just as valuable.

It's fine if you don't understand statistics but just because you don't understand it don't pretend that they don't make any sense or how they are useless. Your ignorance is a reflection on you, not the blog post.
- MrToast

I completely understand the statistics. Todd is trying to make them sound more important than they are to exaggerate how good Jagr and Zajac are.

Who said they were Perry and Getzlaf?
- willschulme

Umm the blog did??? Also notice which duos made the playoffs...

Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin. Sidney Crosby and Chris Kunitz.

Those duos are generally associated with greatness when it comes to looking at some of the most fearsome combinations in the NHL.

I was looking through some data - I knew the duo of Travis Zajac and Jaromir Jagr was excellent - and it turns out those two are on the same wavelength as the rest of the NHL's top combinations.
- RAGSareDANGERus

Look here:

Obviously talent wise they aren't on the same level as some of these duos, and Zajac and Jagr's 3rd wheel (often Zubrus, Dainius) isn't as talented as others, but they managed to produce and drive play at an elite rate.
- Todd

Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin. Sidney Crosby and Chris Kunitz.

Those duos are generally associated with greatness when it comes to looking at some of the most fearsome combinations in the NHL.

I was looking through some data - I knew the duo of Travis Zajac and Jaromir Jagr was excellent - and it turns out those two are on the same wavelength as the rest of the NHL's top combinations.
- RAGSareDANGERus

You're under the assumption that this blog is to say Getzlaf and Perry and co. aren't as good as Zajac and Jagr when it is actually just saying that they are very good together.

Umm the blog did??? Also notice which duos made the playoffs...
- Feds91Stammer

I know this might be hard for you to understand but sometimes when you compare things you aren't saying they are the same.

It's okay, you'll learn one day the subtleties of English.

Umm the blog did??? Also notice which duos made the playoffs...
- Feds91Stammer

Oh I know this! Ladd and Little? No wait. Tavares and Okposo?

I completely understand the statistics. Todd is trying to make them sound more important than they are to exaggerate how good Jagr and Zajac are.
- RAGSareDANGERus

All I thought Todd was trying to say is that Zajac and Jagr on the top line isn't as bad as it seems, and although they don't produce as much offensively as the other duos, they can be just as effective controlling the play. Todd probably could have expressed that he was looking simply at those stats better.

I completely understand the statistics. Todd is trying to make them sound more important than they are to exaggerate how good Jagr and Zajac are.
- RAGSareDANGERus

I mean, do you actually? Because what I'm looking at shows that they were the best duo on this list in terms of puck possession but not nearly as offensively gifted so they didn't score as much as others.

In terms of puck possession they were surely elite.

I know this might be hard for you to understand but sometimes when you compare things you aren't saying they are the same.

It's okay, you'll learn one day the subtleties of English.
- MrToast

com·pare
kəmˈpe(ə)r/Submit
verb
1.
estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
"individual schools compared their facilities with those of others in the area"
synonyms: contrast, juxtapose, collate, differentiate More

Exactly. Todd is saying they are the same and I am saying they are different but thanks for playing.

com·pare
kəmˈpe(ə)r/Submit
verb
1.
estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
"individual schools compared their facilities with those of others in the area"
synonyms: contrast, juxtapose, collate, differentiate More

Exactly. Todd is saying they are the same and I am saying they are different but thanks for playing.
- Feds91Stammer

Could the similarity be controlling play and not just scoring?

com·pare
kəmˈpe(ə)r/Submit
verb
1.
estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
"individual schools compared their facilities with those of others in the area"
synonyms: contrast, juxtapose, collate, differentiate More

Exactly. Todd is saying they are the same and I am saying they are different but thanks for playing.
- Feds91Stammer

i mean, this is hilarious. you are so aggressively dumb.

Could the similarity be controlling play and not just scoring?
- willschulme

Elite players score when they have the puck. Scoring goals wins games. That is my point. Just having the puck does not make you elite.

i mean, this is hilarious. you are so aggressively dumb.
- MrToast

If by dumb you mean absolutely correct than yes I am dumb.

Zajac = over paid one hit wonder

Jagr = Fossil

Cammalleri = past his prime / on the decline

add it all together and it = no playoffs

what a cluster(frank) this turned into.

Zajac = over paid one hit wonder

Jagr = Fossil

Cammalleri = past his prime / on the decline

add it all together and it = no playoffs
- dwoo33

But they are elite. Corsi says so.

These advanced stats tell me that elite duos from the regular season don't win championships.

Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin. Sidney Crosby and Chris Kunitz.

Those duos are generally associated with greatness when it comes to looking at some of the most fearsome combinations in the NHL.

I was looking through some data - I knew the duo of Travis Zajac and Jaromir Jagr was excellent - and it turns out those two are on the same wavelength as the rest of the NHL's top combinations.
- RAGSareDANGERus

Perfectly fair to be critical of a journalist if they choose to write a lede like that.

Zajac = over paid one hit wonder

Jagr = Fossil

Cammalleri = past his prime / on the decline

add it all together and it = no playoffs
- dwoo33

Thank you, oracle

All I thought Todd was trying to say is that Zajac and Jagr on the top line isn't as bad as it seems, and although they don't produce as much offensively as the other duos, they can be just as effective controlling the play. Todd probably could have expressed that he was looking simply at those stats better.
- rmdevil313

Yes, I agree that whatever Todd was trying to express could've been expressed better. First off, titling the blog "Zajac, Jagr Among NHL's Elite Duos" right off that bat shows me that Todd was trying to hype them up more than they are. That is such a broad and misleading title. To be an elite duo in the league means being elite in multiple categories/stats, not just one. A more appropriate title would've been "Zajac, Jagr Among NHL's Elite Possession Duos." However, even then I'd bet that if he actually charted every duo in the league that there would be a good number with better possession statistics above Zajac and Jagr and a good number of them would likely be 3rd and 4th line duos. Obviously a duo of 2 offensive superstars like Benn and Seguin will have a lower Corsi (which is calculated using shots for vs. shots against) because they are not good defensively. They give up a lot of shots. Look up a shutdown duo and you could find a couple of 3rd lines that have a rate 5% higher or even more. And he also doesn't include Boston's top line duo of Bergeron and Marchand. I'd be interested to see how that duo's numbers compare to Zajac's and Jagr's.

Simply put, Todd used limited stats from duos that purposely aren't as good as Jagr and Zajac in order to hype them up.

I mean, do you actually? Because what I'm looking at shows that they were the best duo on this list in terms of puck possession but not nearly as offensively gifted so they didn't score as much as others.

In terms of puck possession they were surely elite.
- MrToast

No, what you're looking at is that they were the best duo out of the ones Todd chose to chart.

Edit: misread your post slightly. Yes, they are the best duo on this list. But no, this chart does not mean they were surely elite. They very well could be if charted correctly, but this chart is a long way away from backing up that statement.