who is looking for sympathy? we are talking about advanced stats. I didn't bring up the Kings-Rangers final, Todd did
- jimbro83

Okay, the point is you're using the fact that the Rangers and Kings went to OT a bunch as some means to disprove advanced statistics when those statistics have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Okay, the point is you're using the fact that the Rangers and Kings went to OT a bunch as some means to disprove advanced statistics when those statistics have absolutely nothing to do with it.
- MannySilvers

but Todd said if you looked at advanced stats before the finals started, it indicated the Kings would win. Did he not say that?

so advanced stats are just some loosely based ideas that Todd has written about every single day since the season ended.
- jimbro83

What do you care

He's also not the only person talking about it

so advanced stats are just some loosely based ideas that Todd has written about every single day since the season ended.
- jimbro83

Some bloggers focus more on stats, some focus more on observation. If it bothers you that much why do you read?

Also it's August, literally the most nothing-is-happening time of the hockey year, what do you want him to write about? Cam Janssen's grit and leadership?

but Todd said if you looked at advanced stats before the finals started, it indicated the Kings would win. Did he not say that?
- jimbro83

Saying that advanced stats would predict, not indicate, the Kings would beat the Rangers in the SCF is a true statement.

but Todd said if you looked at advanced stats before the finals started, it indicated the Kings would win. Did he not say that?
- jimbro83

Take a deep breath

Some bloggers focus more on stats, some focus more on observation. If it bothers you that much why do you read?

Also it's August, literally the most nothing-is-happening time of the hockey year, what do you want him to write about? Cam Janssen's grit and leadership?
- MannySilvers

not sure why it appears I am bothered at all, I am just successfully winning an argument here, I rather enjoy it

not sure why it appears I am bothered at all, I am just successfully winning an argument here, I rather enjoy it
- jimbro83

I have yet to see the winning part of any of your arguments but I guess success is in the eyes of the beholder.

Saying that advanced stats would predict, not indicate, the Kings would beat the Rangers in the SCF is a true statement.
- MannySilvers

show me some advanced stats that predicted the Rangers would be clanking pucks off the posts in all the overtimes of the Finals and I will become a true believer

I have yet to see the winning part of any of your arguments but I guess success is in the eyes of the beholder.
- MannySilvers

he is undefeated

show me some advanced stats that predicted the Rangers would be clanking pucks off the posts in all the overtimes of the Finals and I will become a true believer
- jimbro83

That's not an advanced stat, your big money guys just couldn't produce from their chances.

I have yet to see the winning part of any of your arguments but I guess success is in the eyes of the beholder.
- MannySilvers

you guys always do that, you are having a conversation and when you have nothing else to say you say something along the lines of "why are you here then, waaaaaaa"

That's not an advanced stat, your big money guys just couldn't produce from their chances.
- shvingter88

well, thanks for proving my point, see I knew you'd be on my side in this

show me some advanced stats that predicted the Rangers would be clanking pucks off the posts in all the overtimes of the Finals and I will become a true believer
- jimbro83

That is not the point of the stats, the stats say that the Kings possess the puck better (i.e. more often) than the Rangers and TYPICALLY the Kings generate more chances (i.e. are more often getting the puck towards the net) than the Rangers, and if you use any semblance on common sense, the team that has the puck more often and the team that generates more scoring chances definitely has a better CHANCE to win.

You're issue is you're confusing the term "predict" with the concept of literally telling the future.

If you can invent something that will tell me exactly how many posts a team will hit in a playoff series than you should be using your talents for something more important than hockey.

Or you should be in Vegas making bank.

That is not the point of the stats, the stats say that the Kings possess the puck better (i.e. more often) than the Rangers and TYPICALLY the Kings generate more chances (i.e. are more often getting the puck towards the net) than the Rangers, and if you use any semblance on common sense, the team that has the puck more often and the team that generates more scoring chances definitely has a better CHANCE to win.

You're issue is you're confusing the term "predict" with the concept of literally telling the future.

If you can invent something that will tell me exactly how many posts a team will hit in a playoff series than you should be using your talents for something more important than hockey.

Or you should be in Vegas making bank.
- MannySilvers

so the sarcasm didn't come through in my post there, man, I thought that was obvious

well, thanks for proving my point, see I knew you'd be on my side in this
- jimbro83

Look we can all agree on one thing here, (frank) the kings.

Look we can all agree on one thing here, (frank) the kings.
- shvingter88

yeah, they are definitely a tough team. Just absolutely wear teams down.

well, thanks for proving my point, see I knew you'd be on my side in this
- jimbro83

No, you're point is that all advanced stats are meaningless because there are also other factors that significantly contribute to the outcome of a hockey game.

Our point is while there are also other factors that significantly contribute to the outcome of a hockey game, advanced stats are a very useful tool to analyze and help predict how a team will do, but they are by no means absolute or prophetic.

This is a joke right?

well, thanks for proving my point, see I knew you'd be on my side in this
- jimbro83

Are you really that clueless and dense jeez


OMG I think I won an argument over something I don't seem to comprehend but I want a gold star

No, you're point is that all advanced stats are meaningless because there are also other factors that significantly contribute to the outcome of a hockey game.

Our point is while there are also other factors that significantly contribute to the outcome of a hockey game, advanced stats are a very useful tool to analyze and help predict how a team will do, but they are by no means absolute or prophetic.
- MannySilvers

actually my overall point is that I find it fascinating that you can't say anything negative about advanced stats these days without someone losing their minds. It's almost like it's when someone says something negative a religion or politics, people just get that horrified face.

so advanced stats are just some loosely based ideas that Todd has written about every single day since the season ended.
- jimbro83

Yeah, because if you look through the archives you won't see one post I didn't include advanced stats in. Oh wait, I didn't use them yesterday, Really had to dig deep there.

This is a joke right?
- Feds91Stammer

Where's the advanced stat on jokes?

Are you really that clueless and dense jeez


OMG I think I won an argument over something I don't seem to comprehend but I want a gold star
- dmarsden2988

in your mind, I think you expected this diss towards me was going to be a lot more clever

try again. In fact, this is what you do. Write it down first. Come up with a couple of drafts, then type the final product here, things will be better.

but Todd said if you looked at advanced stats before the finals started, it indicated the Kings would win. Did he not say that?
- jimbro83

No I didn't. Clearly you're incapable of reading a few sentences without misinterpreting everything. I never said a word about who would win the series in my comment. I said advanced stats helped me predict LA/NYR Cup Final.