There's some great convo in here today
- Cptmjl

There's some great convo in here today
- Cptmjl

Travis Hamonic - turns 24 next week. 3 Goals 15assist LY. 78 points in 252 games? I guess we should trade him too b/c he sucks based on how some of you see it

Calvin DeHaan - took him 4 yrs to finally make him NHL. 3G, 13A. We should get rid of this bust too I guess.

Ryan Strome - 21 years old. Only 3 years younger than Bailey. took him 3 years to make NHL 37 games, 7G, 11A. If Strome doesnt score 30 this year should trade him too.

Sorry to come off like a D-ck - but the whole point is. Its not Josh Bailey fault he was put in NHL at age 18. So Saying has played 400 games and done nothing isn't a valid statement. B/c All would be forgotten with one incredible season this year.

2008 first round pick Colin Wilson in his 5th season as Predator and score 11G, 22 A. is he a bust. Mikkel Boedker in 6th season as coyotes and best season last year with 19G, 32A for 51 points. Is he a bust too?

The point Aside from top 1-3 Guys in each draft, not everyone becomes an 60-70 scorer immediately.

So Careful what you wish for. B/c if Bailey get traded for nothing and thrives, that only sets us back.
- Spartiarti

Are you being paid by Bailey's agent or are you related to him?

I'm not trying to get involved in this Amac debate/argument of any sorts bc I most definitely have a different opinion on the Isles and roster players, etc.

But I have a question? This is not directed at you & if others would like to chime in as well, so be it....

We all know Amac was horrendous here (here's the what if) but if Amac decided to take Snow's contract offer instead of thinking that he's worth $5M, what would be most fans thought about him being here for another 4 more years?

We can really say all the negative stuff now bc he's not on the team anymore but what if he still was? Plus the Isles still need at least another legit NHL dman.

Grant it, I've gone on record of saying Amac sucks only bc my view of this team is different.
- Ur Not Me

I've been saying it for a long time and before we knew he'd rejected the contract I was horrified and totally against.

I'm not trying to get involved in this Amac debate/argument of any sorts bc I most definitely have a different opinion on the Isles and roster players, etc.

But I have a question? This is not directed at you & if others would like to chime in as well, so be it....

We all know Amac was horrendous here (here's the what if) but if Amac decided to take Snow's contract offer instead of thinking that he's worth $5M, what would be most fans thought about him being here for another 4 more years?

We can really say all the negative stuff now bc he's not on the team anymore but what if he still was? Plus the Isles still need at least another legit NHL dman.

Grant it, I've gone on record of saying Amac sucks only bc my view of this team is different.
- Ur Not Me

This whole thread let out a sigh of relief when rejected that offer. You were here. Even letsgoisles would have been screaming for snows head if that happened and everyone of us would be saying he was terrible on our own team just like we were when he was playing with us. This isnt a case of sour grapes.

This whole thread let out a sigh of relief when rejected that offer. You were here. Even letsgoisles would have been screaming for snows head if that happened and everyone of us would be saying he was terrible on our own team just like we were when he was playing with us. This isnt a case of sour grapes.
- Cptmjl

I get your point and trust me, I was ecstatic that he thought he was worth more (Guess Flyers took care of that ) but what if he was here today at a cost that Snow offered him?

With the way this team is constructed right now, could Amac be better than last year on this current roster than last years?

Is Amac better than Strait, Hickey, Carkner, Brennan - which are the isles remaining Dmen that will somehow rotate within the D.

Travis Hamonic - turns 24 next week. 3 Goals 15assist LY. 78 points in 252 games? I guess we should trade him too b/c he sucks based on how some of you see it

Calvin DeHaan - took him 4 yrs to finally make him NHL. 3G, 13A. We should get rid of this bust too I guess.

Ryan Strome - 21 years old. Only 3 years younger than Bailey. took him 3 years to make NHL 37 games, 7G, 11A. If Strome doesnt score 30 this year should trade him too.

Sorry to come off like a D-ck - but the whole point is. Its not Josh Bailey fault he was put in NHL at age 18. So Saying has played 400 games and done nothing isn't a valid statement. B/c All would be forgotten with one incredible season this year.

2008 first round pick Colin Wilson in his 5th season as Predator and score 11G, 22 A. is he a bust. Mikkel Boedker in 6th season as coyotes and best season last year with 19G, 32A for 51 points. Is he a bust too?

The point Aside from top 1-3 Guys in each draft, not everyone becomes an 60-70 scorer immediately.

So Careful what you wish for. B/c if Bailey get traded for nothing and thrives, that only sets us back.
- Spartiarti

Oh man. Where do I start here?

You’re ignoring my point and my question, which was a very simple one:

Bailey would be taking a spot from Lee. You keep saying Lee doesn’t play a complete game, what does this mean to you? You haven’t described what you think that means or where you think Lee is a lesser player than Bailey and ignoring my point where Lee scored more goals, was on pace for more points, is a bigger body that gets involved and drives to the net and should be on the roster ahead of Bailey. I’m simplifying this for you, since you don’t seem to be able to comprehend and answer it.

Comparing Bailey to Hamonic, Dehaan is just silly. Bailey hasn’t dealt with injuries and he doesn’t play defense. Comparing him to a rookie in Strome who scored at a similar pace in his first season while playing with noted scorers Martin and Mcdonald is also flat out stupid.

You’re looking for any kind of argument that allows you to dodge the questions and frankly now it’s becoming embarrassing. Do yourself a favor and either just drop it, or address the points.

I get your point and trust me, I was ecstatic that he thought he was worth more (Guess Flyers took care of that ) but what if he was here today at a cost that Snow offered him?

With the way this team is constructed right now, could Amac be better than last year on this current roster than last years?

Is Amac better than Strait, Hickey, Carkner, Brennan - which are the isles remaining Dmen that will somehow rotate within the D.
- Ur Not Me

I'd say he's better than Carkner, level with strait, worse than Hickey and Brennan hasn't played in the NHL enough to be compared.

Now compare contracts. I think the only one of those guys over 1mil is carkner, correct? If we were paying 5 mil per for 6 years of hickey you'd see the same outcry and I would prefer having Hickey.

I get your point and trust me, I was ecstatic that he thought he was worth more (Guess Flyers took care of that ) but what if he was here today at a cost that Snow offered him?

With the way this team is constructed right now, could Amac be better than last year on this current roster than last years?

Is Amac better than Strait, Hickey, Carkner, Brennan - which are the isles remaining Dmen that will somehow rotate within the D.
- Ur Not Me

I think we'd be looking at him the same way we are looking at Bailey. (Well, most of us ) He'd be played too much and be standing in the way of a more productive players' ice time.

I'm glad he's on Philly.

I think we'd be looking at him the same way we are looking at Bailey. (Well, most of us ) He'd be played too much and be standing in the way of a more productive players' ice time.

I'm glad he's on Philly.
- David_Volek

Me too but I think he's better than the remaining bottom Dmen that the isles have.

Me too but I think he's better than the remaining bottom Dmen that the isles have.
- Ur Not Me

Carkner, yes. Hickey, no. Reinhart, TBD.

Me too but I think he's better than the remaining bottom Dmen that the isles have.
- Ur Not Me

if we’re comparing him to strait, carkner, hickey and brennan, then I think I could understand some saying he’s better than them. I agree he’s better than carkner, but I don’t see him as being better than strait or hickey, maybe offensively he could score more but he also got a hell of a lot more icetime than either of them and top line pp minutes (please note, I’m not suggesting hickey or strait get pp time at all, nor more ice time)

would you trade hamonic, dehaan, visnovsky or reinhart for amac? I wouldn’t. So if not, then you’d figure at best in our current line up amac is a 4/5 (at best) and more reasonably would be a 5/6. Do bottom pairing defensemen deserve 30 million dollar contracts? I don’t think so. 5 mil per? No way. 4 mil per? I still say hell no.

I get your point and trust me, I was ecstatic that he thought he was worth more (Guess Flyers took care of that ) but what if he was here today at a cost that Snow offered him?

With the way this team is constructed right now, could Amac be better than last year on this current roster than last years?

Is Amac better than Strait, Hickey, Carkner, Brennan - which are the isles remaining Dmen that will somehow rotate within the D.
- Ur Not Me

Carkner maybe? But what role would he serve in place of Carkner? What does amac bring to the table? I have no idea about brennan and I'd take Hickey or strait over amac any day of the week and that's not saying how great either of them are as much as it's saying just how bad and how much of a negative effect amac is and had on the team. Amac not signing that contract that Snow offered was the best thing that happened to this club since DP got bought out.
Our defense was instantly better after he was gone which was both a product of him not being here and single handily losing games for us(there were quite a few times he did that last year lets not forget)and Capuano not having the opportunity to use him like he did. Like all things positive with Capuano it was due to his hand being forced.

if we’re comparing him to strait, carkner, hickey and brennan, then I think I could understand some saying he’s better than them. I agree he’s better than carkner, but I don’t see him as being better than strait or hickey, maybe offensively he could score more but he also got a hell of a lot more icetime than either of them and top line pp minutes (please note, I’m not suggesting hickey or strait get pp time at all, nor more ice time)

would you trade hamonic, dehaan, visnovsky or reinhart for amac? I wouldn’t. So if not, then you’d figure at best in our current line up amac is a 4/5 (at best) and more reasonably would be a 5/6. Do bottom pairing defensemen deserve 30 million dollar contracts? I don’t think so. 5 mil per? No way. 4 mil per? I still say hell no.
- Isles_since_6

Carkner maybe? But what role would he serve in place of Carkner? What does amac bring to the table? I have no idea about brennan and I'd take Hickey or strait over amac any day of the week and that's not saying how great either of them are as much as it's saying just how bad and how much of a negative effect amac is and had on the team. Amac not signing that contract that Snow offered was the best thing that happened to this club since DP got bought out.
Our defense was instantly better after he was gone which was both a product of him not being here and single handily losing games for us(there were quite a few times he did that last year lets not forget)and Capuano not having the opportunity to use him like he did. Like all things positive with Capuano it was due to his hand being forced.
- Cptmjl

Unfortunately that's true.

Oh man. Where do I start here?

You’re ignoring my point and my question, which was a very simple one:

Bailey would be taking a spot from Lee. You keep saying Lee doesn’t play a complete game, what does this mean to you? You haven’t described what you think that means or where you think Lee is a lesser player than Bailey and ignoring my point where Lee scored more goals, was on pace for more points, is a bigger body that gets involved and drives to the net and should be on the roster ahead of Bailey. I’m simplifying this for you, since you don’t seem to be able to comprehend and answer it.

Comparing Bailey to Hamonic, Dehaan is just silly. Bailey hasn’t dealt with injuries and he doesn’t play defense. Comparing him to a rookie in Strome who scored at a similar pace in his first season while playing with noted scorers Martin and Mcdonald is also flat out stupid.

You’re looking for any kind of argument that allows you to dodge the questions and frankly now it’s becoming embarrassing. Do yourself a favor and either just drop it, or address the points.
- Isles_since_6

Not dodging anything. At age 24. Bailey is way better overall hockey player than Lee. Actually he isn't take a spot from Lee. Lee is different type of player. Nelson is taken Lee's spot as both are fighting for top wing spot.

Ill can tell you if Lee played equal amount of ice time as Bailey (both age 24) bailey will have more points then him end of season.

I think you miss the point. Bailey is 24. not 34. He was probably in NHL 2-3 years earlier than he should have been. While he has been disappointing, he is far from being a bust.

changing topics - I think isles way better off with no AMAC. his value peaked. he doesn't have skill to be top 4 dman.

Hamonic and DeHaan are only to get better. Reinhardt can make this team and matter.

Not dodging anything. At age 24. Bailey is way better overall hockey player than Lee. Actually he isn't take a spot from Lee. Lee is different type of player. Nelson is taken Lee's spot as both are fighting for top wing spot.

Ill can tell you if Lee played equal amount of ice time as Bailey (both age 24) bailey will have more points then him end of season.

I think you miss the point. Bailey is 24. not 34. He was probably in NHL 2-3 years earlier than he should have been. While he has been disappointing, he is far from being a bust.
- Spartiarti

And again, how is Bailey a better player than Lee? Let's hear it

Do you have something to say about my post or are you just being an internet bully, safe behind the anonymity of your keyboard? Why dont you get back to work? Someone is paying you everyday to light up this message board. You must be neglecting your job.. Or wife. Or kids. Because if all you want to do is instigate whenever I write something then please go away. Nobody needs your negativity. I guarantee your mouth doesn't run as much in real life when you're face to face with another adult.

I said I think they will improve....just not enough to be real contenders. LGI doesn't need you sticking up for him. I disagreed with his post but I didn't attack him personally. Calling him an eternal optimist isn't such a harsh insult. If I called you an eternal a$$hole, now THAT would be worthy of a defensive reply.
- jmo16

My Negativity chicken little????

Seriously???

XxNYIxX

Do you have something to say about my post or are you just being an internet bully, safe behind the anonymity of your keyboard? Why dont you get back to work? Someone is paying you everyday to light up this message board. You must be neglecting your job.. Or wife. Or kids. Because if all you want to do is instigate whenever I write something then please go away. Nobody needs your negativity. I guarantee your mouth doesn't run as much in real life when you're face to face with another adult.

I said I think they will improve....just not enough to be real contenders. LGI doesn't need you sticking up for him. I disagreed with his post but I didn't attack him personally. Calling him an eternal optimist isn't such a harsh insult. If I called you an eternal a$$hole, now THAT would be worthy of a defensive reply.
- jmo16

And calling you THE eternal pessimist.. sets you into a derogatory fit of rage?

Hmmmm?

XxNYIxX

Not dodging anything. At age 24. Bailey is way better overall hockey player than Lee. Actually he isn't take a spot from Lee. Lee is different type of player. Nelson is taken Lee's spot as both are fighting for top wing spot.

Ill can tell you if Lee played equal amount of ice time as Bailey (both age 24) bailey will have more points then him end of season.

I think you miss the point. Bailey is 24. not 34. He was probably in NHL 2-3 years earlier than he should have been. While he has been disappointing, he is far from being a bust.
- Spartiarti

2013-14 stats:
Anders Lee....G
Josh Bailey GP-77 G 8 A 30 Pts 38
Anders Lee GP -22 G 9 A 5 pts 14

By my count, Bailey would project for 8 goals and 32 assist for 40 points over 82 games
Lee projects for 34 goals and 19 assists 53 points....
That's with Bailey having played most of his season on the second line, pk and power play, while Lee played mainly on the 3rd. So ...how ya figure?
by 24 Lee will be fully physically developed. There will be no comparision between Josh at 24 and Lee at 24

Not dodging anything. At age 24. Bailey is way better overall hockey player than Lee. Actually he isn't take a spot from Lee. Lee is different type of player. Nelson is taken Lee's spot as both are fighting for top wing spot.

Ill can tell you if Lee played equal amount of ice time as Bailey (both age 24) bailey will have more points then him end of season.

I think you miss the point. Bailey is 24. not 34. He was probably in NHL 2-3 years earlier than he should have been. While he has been disappointing, he is far from being a bust.
- Spartiarti

Let’s go one better here – let’s say for Bailey to get a spot on the roster he’s got to be better than at least 9 players currently (playing bailey on the 4th line is a waste, he’ll get 8 minutes a night, produce less and he’s not a physical player)

Players infinitely better than Bailey and guaranteed to play in the top six:

JT, KO, Grabovski, Kulemin (because they signed together and will start the season playing together)

That’s 4. Then look at these and tell me you’d rather have Bailey instead of these players:

Nielson
Nelson
Strome
Grabner

That’s 8. I’d add Lee to that. That’s 9. No room for him unless grabner gets moved, because no one else on that list will be.

I’m not saying Bailey is useless, and I’m not saying he’s a bust, and I’m not saying to trade him for nothing. I’m saying in order for the Isles to put their best roster on the ice he is not in the top 9. Lee will likely be sent to Bridgeport if no trade is made and I believe he’s proven already he’s a better player than Bailey and deserves to be on the roster ahead of him. He outscored Bailey with 9 goals in 22 games, over bailey’s 8 in 77. If Bailey doesn’t get top six minutes (and he won’t barring injuries) then there’s no way Bailey picks up 30 assists feeding better players. Lee deserves to be on the roster ahead of him and you still can’t describe what is missing from his game that Bailey brings.

Bailey is passive and invisible on the majority of the nights he plays, Lee is not. He goes to the net, creates opportunities and plays a physical game. I choose the bigger, more skilled, hungrier forward to play to make the team better. Not the invisible guy who is afraid of contact.

Whether he was rushed or not, or has potential has not entered my argument, I’m looking at what makes this team better next year. Who deserves to make the team and play.

Tell me I’m wrong and HOW, not useless drivel about how bailey should have been handled 6 years ago, that’s long gone.

Not dodging anything. At age 24. Bailey is way better overall hockey player than Lee. Actually he isn't take a spot from Lee. Lee is different type of player. Nelson is taken Lee's spot as both are fighting for top wing spot.

Ill can tell you if Lee played equal amount of ice time as Bailey (both age 24) bailey will have more points then him end of season.

I think you miss the point. Bailey is 24. not 34. He was probably in NHL 2-3 years earlier than he should have been. While he has been disappointing, he is far from being a bust.
- Spartiarti

Just as a point of clarification, they are from different draft years, 2008 vs 2009. Lee just turned 24 last month. Bailey turned 24 last October. Bailey's almost a year older.

2013-14 stats:
Anders Lee....G
Josh Bailey GP-77 G 8 A 30 Pts 38
Anders Lee GP -22 G 9 A 5 pts 14

By my count, Bailey would project for 8 goals and 32 assist for 40 points over 82 games
Lee projects for 34 goals and 19 assists 53 points....
That's with Bailey having played most of his season on the second line, pk and power play, while Lee played mainly on the 3rd. So ...how ya figure?
by 24 Lee will be fully physically developed. There will be no comparision between Josh at 24 and Lee at 24
- keaner17

That would be .49ppg for Mr. Bailey and .64ppg for Mr. Lee.

That would be .49ppg for Mr. Bailey and .64ppg for Mr. Lee.
- eichiefs9

but bailey plays more of a complete game than Lee...so I'm told. I'm still waiting for that to be described as something tangible.