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fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Aug 1 @ 1:11 PM ET
Has any team ever walked away from an arbitrated award?

Sure. Boston walked on Kristich, who promptly signed up for the Maple Leafs Retirement Program.

- 3M


CHI walked away from Niemi
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:11 PM ET
P.K. Subban says no deal was reached today. Arbitrator will decide his contract for next season. "We have to live with those decisions."

Oh the tears
3M
Location: Antigua
Joined: 06.30.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:11 PM ET
That's quite some time ago. It's obviously quite rare.
- hscesq


Yeah, I think the award has to be above a certain dollar amount, too, so the option to walk away may not even apply to all cases.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Aug 1 @ 1:11 PM ET
True. Maybe it will be easier when there's no more RFA years to settle. Let's hope.
- fidopro



What if this current deal ends up being a short one and at the next round of negotiation there are still issues, at what point do people start turning on PK?

For all the love we have for him as a player, and all he does which makes him in appearance a nice person...maybe he is just a difficult person to deal with...maybe he isn't the person we all want/wish him to be.

stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Aug 1 @ 1:11 PM ET
Oh phew! nothing to worry about, then. Habs mgmt is handling this situation just fine.
- 1979AD


Listen, PK's only worry is lining up his own pockets, Bergevin needs to think about this team long term, with Gallagher and Galchenyuk that are up for new contracts after next season, among others. Not PK's problem you will say, and I agree, but you can't fault Bergevin for trying to manage the cap situation the best he can. PK is RFA as far as I know, so he'll play here no matter what happens (unless he really wants to be a Richard about it and decides to stay home, but I doubt it). Worse case through arbitration is a one year contract, and they still have a chance to work out a deal long-term.

Of course, Bergevin could always give him a blank check and screw the team up salary cap wise like the other GMs do.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Aug 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
P.K. Subban says no deal was reached today. Arbitrator will decide his contract for next season. "We have to live with those decisions."

Oh the tears

- ehabs9

He's obviously very angry and wants to leave. DAM YOU MB!
3M
Location: Antigua
Joined: 06.30.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
P.K. Subban says no deal was reached today. Arbitrator will decide his contract for next season. "We have to live with those decisions."

Oh the tears

- ehabs9


They can ink a deal anytime before the arbitrator announces the award, which can take up to 48 hours.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Aug 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
No need. I can just go back a few pages and see all the laughter.
- hscesq



pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: maybe one day I'll be as wise as you are Pete., ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Aug 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
That too.
- habs12


It will all work out Scott.

Don't you worry.


hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
P.K. Subban says no deal was reached today. Arbitrator will decide his contract for next season. "We have to live with those decisions."

Oh the tears

- ehabs9

Question, a silly one. Is the arbitrator bound by one number or the other, or can he/she/it pick a number between the two figures given?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:12 PM ET
Listen, PK's only worry is lining up his own pockets, Bergevin needs to think about this team long term, with Gallagher and Galchenyuk that are up for new contracts after next season, among others. Not PK's problem you will say, and I agree, but you can't fault Bergevin for trying to manage the cap situation the best he can. PK is RFA as far as I know, so he'll play here no matter what happens (unless he really wants to be a Richard about it and decides to stay home, but I doubt it). Worse case through arbitration is a one year contract, and they still have a chance to work out a deal long-term.

Of course, Bergevin could always give him a blank check and screw the team up salary cap wise like the other GMs do.

- stinger67


AGalchenyuk27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: He was responsible for the term “Gordie Howe hat trick”, where a player scored a goal, added an , YT
Joined: 02.05.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:13 PM ET
Question, a silly one. Is the arbitrator bound by one number or the other, or can he/she/it pick a number between the two figures given?
- hscesq

jesus you're the lawyer.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 1:13 PM ET
What if this current deal ends up being a short one and at the next round of negotiation there are still issues, at what point do people start turning on PK?

For all the love we have for him as a player, and all he does which makes him in appearance a nice person...maybe he is just a difficult person to deal with...maybe he isn't the person we all want/wish him to be.

- TouenneTiiTree

The day he stepped onto the ice.
3M
Location: Antigua
Joined: 06.30.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:13 PM ET
Question, a silly one. Is the arbitrator bound by one number or the other, or can he/she/it pick a number between the two figures given?
- hscesq


Both. Can pick either number, or come up with a new figure altogether.
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:14 PM ET
Question, a silly one. Is the arbitrator bound by one number or the other, or can he/she/it pick a number between the two figures given?
- hscesq



It's her choice on a figure, the numbers submitted are just what each side is vying for
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Aug 1 @ 1:14 PM ET

- Pecafan Fan



PK looks pale
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Aug 1 @ 1:14 PM ET
Question, a silly one. Is the arbitrator bound by one number or the other, or can he/she/it pick a number between the two figures given?
- hscesq

They can pick a number between as well. Shea was asking for 8.5 at his arbitration case.
3M
Location: Antigua
Joined: 06.30.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:14 PM ET
PK looks pale
- bixll


hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 1:15 PM ET
jesus you're the lawyer.
- AGalchenyuk27

1. I asked you not to call me that.
2. Arbitration hearings aren't governed by one set of rules for the entire universe, John. This is a collectively bargained solution, and thus it's germane to the NHL and it's clubs and PA.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Aug 1 @ 1:15 PM ET
jesus you're the lawyer.
- AGalchenyuk27

AGalchenyuk27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: He was responsible for the term “Gordie Howe hat trick”, where a player scored a goal, added an , YT
Joined: 02.05.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:16 PM ET
1. I asked you not to call me that.
2. Arbitration hearings aren't governed by one set of rules for the entire universe, John. This is a collectively bargained solution, and thus it's germane to the NHL and it's clubs and PA.

- hscesq

U should ask the NHL for a copy of the CBA.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 1:16 PM ET
Both. Can pick either number, or come up with a new figure altogether.
- 3M

Ok. In MLB I believe, the arbitrator must select one or the other.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 1:16 PM ET
U should ask the NHL for a copy of the CBA.
- AGalchenyuk27

I got my answer, thanks.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 1:17 PM ET

- Yeti1181

Don't egg him on.
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 1:18 PM ET
The only way any of this is remotely acceptable, is if it somehow results in us getting McDavid.
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