No, because most of the players and/or management are not happy with that process. Wich is why most players ended up working a deal before reaching that point.
- deadpoulet

Subban knows what his value is and he won't back down. He proved it by holding out 2 years ago missing training camp and some regular season games.

Imagine 2 years later after he was the Habs best player in the playoffs and a Norris trophy*.

What the hell did they put in his coffee.. This should be done by now.
- bixll

Is this timeline based on the other NHL arbitration hearings you have been involved in?

Is this timeline based on the other NHL arbitration hearings you have been involved in?
- Cyberhabs

ya, that's it..

Yeah I don't think Bergevin is there trying to tear Subban's game apart in front of an arbitrator.

It makes no sense at all. They're talking business, not what happens on the ice.
- Pecafan Fan

They have to talk about his play to justify their offer. This is why things can get ugly.

Players who have been through it before repeatedly say that it's a bad experience. They often come out saying things like "You don't like hearing things like that said about yourself."
- BINGO!

It can be very brutal apparently. Montreal needs to make a case as to why he's only worth 5.25 a year, in order to prove that they will have to completely rip on him.

They have to talk about his play to justify their offer. This is why things can get ugly.
- deadpoulet

They really don't have to.

All they need to do is find comparables.

ya, that's it..
- bixll

Look, as much as everyone wants this to be done and an announcement to be made, the speculation is just getting ridiculous. Wasn't necessarily a shot at you but more at how much people read into things i.e. a look coming out of the room, the time it is taking etc....

They really don't have to.

All they need to do is find comparables.
- Pecafan Fan

They need to prove their case though can't just use comparable plus their is no solid comparables to PK really. Keith and Seabrook wont work as they were signed long a go and in another cba where you could stretch contracts

They need to prove their case though can't just use comparable plus their is no solid comparables to PK really. Keith and Seabrook wont work as they were signed long a go and in another cba where you could stretch contracts
- Yeti1181

So the lady (the arbitrator) is in reality an NHL scout in disguise and she knows how to evaluate a players worth to his team based on how he plays on the ice?

is that it?

They need to prove their case though can't just use comparable plus their is no solid comparables to PK really. Keith and Seabrook wont work as they were signed long a go and in another cba where you could stretch contracts
- Yeti1181

Weber, Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Doughty. At $8M, he's the best paid among them all.

And then Meehan will say "Phaneuf"

So the lady (the arbitrator) is in reality an NHL scout in disguise and she knows how to evaluate a players worth to his team based on how he plays on the ice?

is that it?
- Pecafan Fan

I know they are not talking about his people skills.

They really don't have to.

All they need to do is find comparables.
- Pecafan Fan

Again, you have to justify why he compares to that or that player and not that one or that one. There is no way around this. At the end of the day, Habs have to tell him he is not as good as he thinks he is.

It can be very brutal apparently. Montreal needs to make a case as to why he's only worth 5.25 a year, in order to prove that they will have to completely rip on him.
- Yeti1181

I highly doubt Montreal is ripping Subban. There's nothing to gain by "winning" this process and Bergevin knows that.

Weber, Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Doughty.

And then Meehan will say "Phaneuf"
- EssuieToutJeune

Why is it so complicated to understand?
All these dmen cannot be used as comparable. They either were UFA, signed in the previous CBA, or too young and did not have access to arbitration.

The only 2 they can use are Yandle and Bogosian.

They have to talk about his play to justify their offer. This is why things can get ugly.
- deadpoulet

They hadn't said a word yet when he walked out. And they're not offering $1M FFS.

Again, you have to justify why he compares to that or that player and not that one or that one. There is no way around this. At the end of the day, Habs have to tell him he is not as good as he thinks he is.
- deadpoulet

Sorry, but that's simply not the case in this situation. In some arbitration cases, yes it is. In this one, it isn't.

It can be very brutal apparently. Montreal needs to make a case as to why he's only worth 5.25 a year, in order to prove that they will have to completely rip on him.
- Yeti1181

I know a few times Canes players would come out of arbitration and say that it's hard to actually put pen to paper on that contract when all you want to do is punch the GM in the face and go play somewhere else.

Both sides have to play every angle they can, otherwise you aren't doing your job properly.

So the lady (the arbitrator) is in reality an NHL scout in disguise and she knows how to evaluate a players worth to his team based on how he plays on the ice?

is that it?
- Pecafan Fan

I would imagine someone who arbitrating for the NHL would in fact have knowledge of the game and league. You think they are using someone who knows nothing about hockey to arbitrate a hockey deal?

I know a few times Canes players would come out of arbitration and say that it's hard to actually put pen to paper on that contract when all you want to do is punch the GM in the face and go play somewhere else.

Both sides have to play every angle they can, otherwise you aren't doing your job properly.
- BINGO!

Play say the exact same thing in a different way...again...

I would imagine someone who arbitrating for the NHL would in fact have knowledge of the game and league. You think they are using someone who knows nothing about hockey to arbitrate a hockey deal?
- Yeti1181

That's what they do for bloggers here.

Play say the exact same thing in a different way...again...
- TouenneTiiTree

I know a few times Canes players would come out of arbitration and say that it's hard to actually put pen to paper on that contract when all you want to do is punch the GM in the face and go play somewhere else.

Both sides have to play every angle they can, otherwise you aren't doing your job properly.
- BINGO!

Oh I can imagine it would be pretty brutal.

Sorry, but that's simply not the case in this situation. In some arbitration cases, yes it is. In this one, it isn't.
- hscesq

How so?

That's what they do for bloggers here.
- hscesq

That's what they do for bloggers here.
- hscesq

And the refs lol