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fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
so you'd be willing to lose him over $500,000 AAV?
come on...

- DoubleDown


You have to draw the line somewhere. Why not 9.5? Then why not 10?
Letang just signed for 7.25M. He won a cup. Is PK worth that much more than Letang, and remember he has 2 years as RFA, so around 7M per.

7,7,9,9,9,9,9,9 = 68 for 8 years, 8.5M per.
That's my final offer. Sorry.
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
There will be a ton of logical partners...thing is, it won't happen.

5 years 37,5M$

- Habsody



I wish I shared your optimism
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
DT already is...
- BashCH



Much better
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Aug 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
Why?

If he's so great and sought after and doesn't want to be in MTL, MB has 2 years to move him for the best deal possible.

I'd say he's doing what's best for the future of the team, no?

- pete26


Why would teams trade for him if he's got a 2 year deal making him UFA afterwards ? Sign him 1 year. If he really doesn't want to stay trade him next summer to a team that's willing to give him the money he wants.
EssuieToutJeune
Nashville Predators
Location: See, what actually happens is just one of many probabilities and one of the biggest weaknessesblabla
Joined: 03.01.2013

Aug 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
Subban for Hall
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:20 AM ET
Subban for Hall
- EssuieToutJeune


We need RW's, Eberle

Edit: honestly though if they traded Subban, that's a slap in the face to Price after trading Gorges. The very foundation of everything we know could be coming to an end...
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:21 AM ET
You have to draw the line somewhere. Why not 9.5? Then why not 10?
Letang just signed for 7.25M. He won a cup. Is PK worth that much more than Letang, and remember he has 2 years as RFA, so around 7M per.

7,7,9,9,10,10,11,11 = 74 for 8 years, 9.25M per.
That's my final offer. Sorry.

- fidopro


Fixed. If you don't pay the RFA years, you need to pay the potential cap increase and his prime years
WaterBoy
Location: THIS BLOG SUCKS!, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Aug 1 @ 10:21 AM ET
teams that trade young superstars usually lose that trade.
- DoubleDown

Depends who's the trading partner.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Maple MAGA, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:22 AM ET
Bergevin would have very little leverage in trade negotiations pete. if the Habs trade Subban, i promise you they're losing that trade.
- DoubleDown


2years Adam.

He's not under any duress, if PK is so great, MB's phone should be ringing off the hook.



EssuieToutJeune
Nashville Predators
Location: See, what actually happens is just one of many probabilities and one of the biggest weaknessesblabla
Joined: 03.01.2013

Aug 1 @ 10:22 AM ET
We need RW's, Eberle
- ehabs9


(frank) Eberle.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 1 @ 10:22 AM ET
2years Adam.

He's not under any duress, if PK is so great, MB's phone should be ringing off the hook.

- pete26

You're missing the point Pete.
EssuieToutJeune
Nashville Predators
Location: See, what actually happens is just one of many probabilities and one of the biggest weaknessesblabla
Joined: 03.01.2013

Aug 1 @ 10:23 AM ET
We need RW's, Eberle

Edit: honestly though if they traded Subban, that's a slap in the face to Price after trading Gorges. The very foundation of everything we know could be coming to an end...

- ehabs9



Overreating much?
basementfloor
Montreal Canadiens
Location: My Big Mac only had one meat and too much special sauce :(
Joined: 08.05.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:23 AM ET
(frank) Eberle.
- EssuieToutJeune


yeah I like the guy but he's pretty overrated.
Habsody
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 3-Rivières, QC
Joined: 12.16.2007

Aug 1 @ 10:23 AM ET
We need RW's, Eberle
- ehabs9

We need a top 6 LW as well, Bourque won't keep up. While it's nothing great we already have Gallagher and Parrenteau on the right
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:23 AM ET
Overreating much?
- EssuieToutJeune



I was being facetious
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Maple MAGA, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:25 AM ET
You're missing the point Pete.
- hscesq


What's the point?

If he wants to be a Hab long term, he could be one I'm sure.

If he doesn't, good by Joe, he's gotta go.

It's pretty simple really.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Aug 1 @ 10:25 AM ET
yeah I like the guy but he's pretty overrated.
- basementfloor


PK will get 1 year in arbitration and we will hear about PK long-term deals for another 365 days
EssuieToutJeune
Nashville Predators
Location: See, what actually happens is just one of many probabilities and one of the biggest weaknessesblabla
Joined: 03.01.2013

Aug 1 @ 10:25 AM ET
yeah I like the guy but he's pretty overrated.
- basementfloor


Yeah the "best guy not playing in the NHL" schtick was a bit overplayed.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Aug 1 @ 10:25 AM ET
2years Adam.

He's not under any duress, if PK is so great, MB's phone should be ringing off the hook.

- pete26


time doesn't change the circumstances peter. everyone would know that MB has to trade Subban, which weakens his position. further, if Montreal cannot lock down PK, then you've got to assume that there are a lot of teams out there who couldn't lock him down either. i don't think this is a guy who's dying to play for the Panthers, Predators, Blue Jackets... MB would be dealing with a limited list of partners from a weakened negotiating position that would only get weaker as time goes by. you're unlikely to create a bidding war in that scenario.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:26 AM ET
PK will get 1 year in arbitration and we will hear about PK long-term deals for another 365 days
- Not_Yan


BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Aug 1 @ 10:26 AM ET
What's the point?

If he wants to be a Hab long term, he could be one I'm sure.

If he doesn't, good by Joe, he's gotta go.

It's pretty simple really.

- pete26


You get less for trading a pending UFA....that's as simple as that and why they shouldn't sign him 2 years.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:27 AM ET
time doesn't change the circumstances peter. everyone would know that MB has to trade Subban, which weakens his position. further, if Montreal cannot lock down PK, then you've got to assume that there are a lot of teams out there who couldn't lock him down either. i don't think this is a guy who's dying to play for the Panthers, Predators, Blue Jackets... MB would be dealing with a limited list of partners from a weakened negotiating position that would only get weaker as time goes by. you're unlikely to create a bidding war in that scenario.
- DoubleDown


Lindros just called and says Hi!
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Aug 1 @ 10:28 AM ET
Lindros just called and says Hi!
- fidopro


Teams would've had to wait a long time to get Lindros as UFA...plus he was way more overhyped than PK is.
ehabs9
Florida Panthers
Location: I've got a shitty team, and the only prescription, is more character., QC
Joined: 07.15.2009

Aug 1 @ 10:28 AM ET
yeah I like the guy but he's pretty overrated.
- basementfloor



Ya he's pretty poop
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Aug 1 @ 10:28 AM ET
2years, 7.25per.

If he doesn't want to sign long term, hold on to him for 1.

If his value goes up, trade him next summer before the draft, if it goes down, he's (frank)ed himself.

MB is in the drivers seat on this one.

Not to worry.

- pete26


if they go with what the arbitrator decided, it's one year.

The player chooses to go to arbitration, but the team decides the term. Habs chose 1 year.
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