It's only fair. Also included is on "Get Out of Jail Free" card.
- hscesq

and a plane ticket to Chicago

It's only fair. Also included is on "Get Out of Jail Free" card.
- hscesq

so then you completely support PK holding out for that deal then.
- DoubleDown

It's not a question of supporting one side or the other. PK can do whatever he wants. The best for him is to sign 5 years IMO.

Why? that only ensures you'll be breaking the bank for a 30 year old defenseman on a long term contract down the road...

From the habs perspective, you're looking at 8 years for $72M today...in 5 years from now (if he keeps up the level of play) as a UFA he'd get a lot more than that...likely the equivalent f $11M or $12M in today's money (meaning likely more if cap keeps going up).

Plus, think about it...that's a long term contract for a 30 years old...he'll have 3 or 4 prime years left and then you are still paying to dollar on his decline...
- TouenneTiiTree

Because there's no guarantee where he will be in 5 years. If it doesn't work out you can lose or trade him. If it works out, you resign him another 8 years, but you lower his final years as he gets in his late 30s so the cap hit isn't as bad.

It's not a question of supporting one side or the other. PK can do whatever he wants. The best for him is to sign 5 years IMO.
- fidopro

I agree.

#firebergevin

#firebergevin
- Fredobface

#TradePK

so then you completely support PK holding out for that deal then.
- DoubleDown

Not everything is black and white... there are shades of gray.

I'd like the habs to be able to sign him, I think he should be paid handsomely, but I also don't want that contract crippling the team...

I think I am more on the management side for this issue...but I don't want to see PK leave.

I truly never thought it would get to arbitration

Not everything is black and white... there are shades of gray.

I'd like the habs to be able to sign him, I think he should be paid handsomely, but I also don't want that contract crippling the team...

I think I am more on the management side for this issue...but I don't want to see PK leave.
- TouenneTiiTree

Racist !

Not everything is black and white... there are shades of gray.

I'd like the habs to be able to sign him, I think he should be paid handsomely, but I also don't want that contract crippling the team...

I think I am more on the management side for this issue...but I don't want to see PK leave.
- TouenneTiiTree

Is there an underlying meaning here?

I truly never thought it would get to arbitration
- ehabs9

Did it start yet?

Racist !
- BashCH

Dammit! Beat me to it.

I truly never thought it would get to arbitration
- ehabs9

Well... he did miss a week or two a few years back before signing the bridge remember?

Because there's no guarantee where he will be in 5 years. If it doesn't work out you can lose or trade him. If it works out, you resign him another 8 years, but you lower his final years as he gets in his late 30s so the cap hit isn't as bad.
- l3ig_l2ecl

if you sign him long term now, you have cost-certainty across the majority of his prime... Plus if he falters in 2 or 3 years and you want to move on from that investment, he'll still be young enough that other teams would take a chance on him.

Not everything is black and white... there are shades of gray.

I'd like the habs to be able to sign him, I think he should be paid handsomely, but I also don't want that contract crippling the team...

I think I am more on the management side for this issue...but I don't want to see PK leave.
- TouenneTiiTree

no what i mean is, if you see all of the reasons why Mtl wouldn't want to sign that deal, then you see all the reasons that PK would. and being on one side... meh. if Subban wants to be a Hab, and Bergevin wants him, they'll get something done. if it doesn't work out, obviously one of the parties wants a split.

Is there an underlying meaning here?
- ehabs9

unfortunately, no.

I truly never thought it would get to arbitration
- ehabs9

don't think anyone did.

if you sign him long term now, you have cost-certainty across the majority of his prime... Plus if he falters in 2 or 3 years and you want to move on from that investment, he'll still be young enough that other teams would take a chance on him.
- TouenneTiiTree

he's not faltering in 2-3 years.

I wonder if both sides just have huge negotiating gonads, and are waiting to see how the hearing goes before adjusting their stand on the contract offers that have been made so far.

PK will be traded sooner rather then later.

PK will be traded sooner rather then later.
- WaterBoy

stfu waterpuke

PK will be traded sooner rather then later.
- WaterBoy

it's a possibility at this point.

stfu waterpuke
- AGalchenyuk27

Oh my... you're so original... you're like a Pabst beer.

it's a possibility at this point.
- DoubleDown

Get a great return and move on.