personally i think setoguchi would be great value for team like leafs. between booth and him one of them could be last years version of mason raymond

hence my comment to the guy saying he is a leaf
- jake24242

I was with his agent yesterday......Pat Morris, Winnik signed with the leafs yesterday

personally i think setoguchi would be great value for team like leafs. between booth and him one of them could be last years version of mason raymond
- mitchapalooza19

Raymond came in as a way better player .setaguchi should get nothing more then a try out contract.

New Puck moving Dman.
- Iggysbff

Well, Dee Karl thought Kyle Wellwood would make a great puck moving defenseman.

Raymond came in as a way better player .setaguchi should get nothing more then a try out contract.
- Allforhim12

completely disagree thats why mason had no interest from any teams besides a tryout from the leafs that lead to his one year contract.

I was with his agent yesterday......Pat Morris, Winnik signed with the leafs yesterday
- Kinggilmour

Than why haven't they announced it? And why are you the only person who knows? It does make some sense because he is a really good possession player.

I wanted the Wings to take a flyer on Penner a few years ago. But he got benched by the Ducks last year. The last thing we need is another useless body taking a roster spot away from a better kid. If he gets more than a camp tryout I'll be pissed.

Can't see Penner in Detroit at all. He doesn't really try hard and Detroit's not that kinda place.

Those guys are getting older. Zetterbergs herniated disk is not good. It will probably shorten each season and he wont be the same. Datsyuk should play more games. Alfie gone.(most likely) Franzen and Cleary getting even older. I don't see them any better than last year.
- JVR_42_PK81

As a Wings fan, the aging argument is laughable at this point. I've been hearing it for way too many years now. The fact is the team is younger than it has been in years (alfie, Bert, Sammy helped up the avg last yr). Aging, it happens to us all, every day.

I think it's hard to say one way or another how good/bad the Wings are because of all the injuries they have faced. They lead the league in man games lost to injury since the lockout. Most other teams wouldn't have made the postseason if they were in the Wings shoes. That in itself makes me think they are better than what some think, but some would call it me being bias.

As for Penner. Really?? I have a very hard time seeing or believing it. Even if Alfie does end up hanging them up- the Wings already have too many forwards and looks like Jurco will be stuck in the AHL because he can pass waivers (like Nyquist last season). Unless they actually end up making a trade....I'll believe it when I see it.

- Iggysbff

Or there is a 3rd option. Lose at both.....

As a Wings fan, the aging argument is laughable at this point. I've been hearing it for way too many years now. The fact is the team is younger than it has been in years (alfie, Bert, Sammy helped up the avg last yr). Aging, it happens to us all, every day.

I think it's hard to say one way or another how good/bad the Wings are because of all the injuries they have faced. They lead the league in man games lost to injury since the lockout. Most other teams wouldn't have made the postseason if they were in the Wings shoes. That in itself makes me think they are better than what some think, but some would call it me being bias.

As for Penner. Really?? I have a very hard time seeing or believing it. Even if Alfie does end up hanging them up- the Wings already have too many forwards and looks like Jurco will be stuck in the AHL because he can pass waivers (like Nyquist last season). Unless they actually end up making a trade....I'll believe it when I see it.
- Bren4Wings

Pittsburgh led the league in man games last year. U must mean including the lock out season. Injuries suck . So does quincey and cleary. Like another poster commented still waiting to see the wings OWN the east like all their fans said they would

Laughs? Really? They have a full roster already. Why are they going to add Setoguchi? They have 4 mill in cap space and still need to sign Gardiner and add a 7th D. I know rumours don't always come true but my issue with rumours on this site is that they are baseless and easily proven to not happen. Setoguchi wont end up on the Leafs.

If anyone was to garb him I would say
Boston after Savard hit LTIR,
Washington could use one more Forward,
Carolina could use him,
Pens have 3 spots open Pyatt wont be back,
Detroit could be possible if Alfredsson does not return,
I wouldn't say a return to Winnipeg isn't out of the question and
Calgary would be an option.

These teams are looking for players, every other team will likely go into the season with what they got.

So the Islanders have 16 forwards with only 14 spots but yet still trying to add unnecessary forwards in FA???
- brodydog29

they've realized strome and nelson are busts

they've realized strome and nelson are busts
- rangerdanger94

Neither one of them are busts .the islanders do do one thing well, they draft well

As a Wings fan, the aging argument is laughable at this point. I've been hearing it for way too many years now. The fact is the team is younger than it has been in years (alfie, Bert, Sammy helped up the avg last yr). Aging, it happens to us all, every day.

I think it's hard to say one way or another how good/bad the Wings are because of all the injuries they have faced. They lead the league in man games lost to injury since the lockout. Most other teams wouldn't have made the postseason if they were in the Wings shoes. That in itself makes me think they are better than what some think, but some would call it me being bias.

As for Penner. Really?? I have a very hard time seeing or believing it. Even if Alfie does end up hanging them up- the Wings already have too many forwards and looks like Jurco will be stuck in the AHL because he can pass waivers (like Nyquist last season). Unless they actually end up making a trade....I'll believe it when I see it.
- Bren4Wings

Most of this I agree with. Aging is annoying to hear year after year. I think we can have a slightly better year if we stay healthy. Howard is much better than he gave us last year.

However I think we will have a challenge making the playoffs this year with our division. If we make it I would think it's again a wild card slot. Tampa Boston and Montreal all being better than us. It isn't impossible but I also think Washington and possibly Toronto have a better year coming and the blue jackets still being competitive, while we basically did nothing to improve our team. We would be banking solely on health, which is scary

they've realized strome and nelson are busts
- rangerdanger94

That's something u would wish for but sorry bc they will both light up the Rags in the future, so embrace the hate....

Laughs? Really?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

so...the flyers:

trade away richards and carter. both have 2 cups now

then they sign bryzgalov to the worst contract imaginable, and later buy him out.

they trade away bobrovsky who later wins a vezina

they trade jvr for schenn


yet somehow you think you can try and troll the leafs? nice try.

Pittsburgh led the league in man games last year. U must mean including the lock out season. Injuries suck . So does quincey and cleary. Like another poster commented still waiting to see the wings OWN the east like all their fans said they would
- Jordy8

"Since the lockout". Many are pointing to the Wings barely making the playoffs "since the lockout"- but aren't taking the whole picture into consideration. Sometimes the # of man games lost due to injury doesn't tell the whole story- in regards to who is injured and what that means to the team.

The Wings have been in the East one - yes 1- season. They were without their top guys for half of that season. Really?? I was never one who said such a thing, but seriously! Never mind injuries, I guess they aren't allowed any adjustment time to playing teams that they barely have seen/played against in years.

That's something u would wish for but sorry bc they will both light up the Rags in the future, so embrace the hate....



- Ur Not Me

busts spelled backwards starts with st....so does strome. coincidence? i think not.

you can't argue facts

"Since the lockout". Many are pointing to the Wings barely making the playoffs "since the lockout"- but aren't taking the whole picture into consideration. Sometimes the # of man games lost due to injury doesn't tell the whole story- in regards to who is injured and what that means to the team.

The Wings have been in the East one - yes 1- season. They were without their top guys for half of that season. Really?? I was never one who said such a thing, but seriously! Never mind injuries, I guess they aren't allowed any adjustment time to playing teams that they barely have seen/played against in years.
- Bren4Wings

Crosby has missed 2yrs with injury nobody gives anyone sympathy. Especially when for years wings fans would say how much tougher the west is imagine we played in the east

Eklund: The Latest on Setoguchi and Penner
- Eklund

Setoguchi and Penner are considered a crazy day......unless of course Penner got in a waffle incident

busts spelled backwards starts with st....so does strome. coincidence? i think not.

you can't argue facts
- rangerdanger94

Son, since I know you are young, I'll take it easy on you....
So your facts indicate that Stamkos is a bust?

Time for bed and dream up another fact...

Son, since I know you are young, I'll take it easy on you....
So your facts indicate that Stamkos is a bust?

Time for bed and dream up another fact...
- Ur Not Me

everybody knows MSL made stamkos.

everybody knows MSL made stamkos.
- rangerdanger94

U really believe that???

Edit: Guess you called your own guy a bust to St. Louis

U really believe that???

Edit: Guess you called your own guy a bust to St. Louis
- Ur Not Me

totes

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