Then by that argument every single Sabre is overrated.

No goaltender has ever dominated the NHL like the way Hasek did during his time here. He is a top 5 all time goalie. To say he is overrated would be like saying Barry Sanders was overrated.

Both Hasek and Sanders played on terribly built teams and the main reason for their teams success whether minor or not was solely because of those two guys.
- Stripes77

While I hold winning very high on the overrated/underrated pedestal, there is one way true greatness can be achieved without it. You have to be the greatest at what you do. And Hasek was just that when he was here. He dominated the game in a way that nobody else in this franchise ever did. When you play the game in such a way where people both locally and internationally say "no human being has any business with the ability to do what he does", you've achieved greatness.

Barry Sanders is also a very good example.

from last blog...


Underrated: Andreychuk, Satan, Puppa, Sekera, and Sheppard.

Overrated: Ruff, Reiger, Holzinger, Corkum, The Sucksisters, and Scott.
- dadeadhead

I agree on your overrated, especially Sekera. He too a lot of grief when he was often the Sabres best D-man

NHL over rated/under rated

Over rated- Ryan O'Reilly, Jordan Staal, Ryan Callahan, Erik Karlsson
Under rated- Alex Ovechkin, (only player to score 50 goals, win NHL MVP and have the majority of the talk about him be negative) Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dennis Seidenberg,

NHL over rated/under rated

Over rated- Ryan O'Reilly, Jordan Staal, Ryan Callahan, Erik Karlsson
Under rated- Alex Ovechkin, (only player to score 50 goals, win NHL MVP and have the majority of the talk about him be negative) Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dennis Seidenberg,
- sbroads24

Put him on a team where he needs to be the "GUY" and he's non-existent. Hide him on a team(like LA) where he is option 4-6, he shows up.

Wouldn't want anything to do with him on this team.


Same was said of Jagr back in the day as whats said of OV.

NHL over rated/under rated

Over rated- Ryan O'Reilly, Jordan Staal, Ryan Callahan, Erik Karlsson
Under rated- Alex Ovechkin, (only player to score 50 goals, win NHL MVP and have the majority of the talk about him be negative) Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dennis Seidenberg,
- sbroads24

Looks right to me

Put him on a team where he needs to be the "GUY" and he's non-existent. Hide him on a team(like LA) where he is option 4-6, he shows up.

Wouldn't want anything to do with him on this team.


Same was said of Jagr back in the day as whats said of OV.
- dadeadhead

He took Philly to the finals as the guy. Is also one of the best natural goal scorers in the league over the last 10 years. I know you don't like the guy but he's a legitimate star player

NHL over rated/under rated

Over rated- Ryan O'Reilly, Jordan Staal, Ryan Callahan, Erik Karlsson
Under rated- Alex Ovechkin, (only player to score 50 goals, win NHL MVP and have the majority of the talk about him be negative) Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dennis Seidenberg,
- sbroads24

The with OV is its hard to score 51 goals and still be a minus 35.

He took Philly to the finals as the guy. Is also one of the best natural goal scorers in the league over the last 10 years. I know you don't like the guy but he's a legitimate star player
- sbroads24

Lets not kid ourselves.......

Pronger and Briere were the guys, without them Philly doesn't get there. Carter also was out for much of those playoffs.


He's no better or worse than Vanek. If Carter is a star then so is Vanek and I think most will agree Vanek isn't a star.

Lets not kid ourselves.......

Pronger and Briere were the guys, without them Philly doesn't get there. Carter also was out for much of those playoffs.


He's no better or worse than Vanek. If Carter is a star then so is Vanek and I think most will agree Vanek isn't a star.
- dadeadhead

He also had 25 points in 26 playoff games this year with 2 rookies on his wings for the most part.

2 time cup champ, 2x gold medal winner.

Vanek isn't nearly as accomplished or as consistent as Carter

NHL over rated/under rated

Over rated- Ryan O'Reilly, Jordan Staal, Ryan Callahan, Erik Karlsson
Under rated- Alex Ovechkin, (only player to score 50 goals, win NHL MVP and have the majority of the talk about him be negative) Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dennis Seidenberg,
- sbroads24

ROR over rated

NHL over rated/under rated

Over rated- Ryan O'Reilly, Jordan Staal, Ryan Callahan, Erik Karlsson
Under rated- Alex Ovechkin, (only player to score 50 goals, win NHL MVP and have the majority of the talk about him be negative) Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Dennis Seidenberg,
- sbroads24

How can a 23 year old be overrated ? just because us fans talk about him every day
does not make him overrated ..

He also had 25 points in 26 playoff games this year with 2 rookies on his wings for the most part.

2 time cup champ, 2x gold medal winner.

Vanek isn't nearly as accomplished or as consistent as Carter
- sbroads24

And that's just it. Carter excels on a team that is insanely deep. Remember back in the "hay day" of 2006 and 2007. Vanek, Roy, and Afinogenov dominated when teams couldn't key in on them because they had Drury's and Briere's lines to contend with. Carter excels because he doesn't face the top matchups. The Kopitar line does.

He also had 25 points in 26 playoff games this year with 2 rookies on his wings for the most part.

2 time cup champ, 2x gold medal winner.

Vanek isn't nearly as accomplished or as consistent as Carter
- sbroads24

Carter isn't the poster boy for consistency either.

Thank Christ Carter is Canadian or he'd have zero gold medals just like Vanek.


Winning the cup doesn't make you a star.......... Plenty of guys have multiple cups and are not stars.

Is he a good hockey player? Yep, I've always said that.

Is he a giant baby? Yep

Would I want him on a young team like Buffalo? Not a chance.

And that's just it. Carter excels on a team that is insanely deep. Remember back in the "hay day" of 2006 and 2007. Vanek, Roy, and Afinogenov dominated when teams couldn't key in on them because they had Drury's and Briere's lines to contend with. Carter excels because he doesn't face the top matchups. The Kopitar line does.
- buffalofan19

Bingo.

He's not the guy. At this point he's going to be at best option 4 behind Kopitar, Doughty, and Gabby.

He had a chance to be the guy and cried like a baby.

And that's just it. Carter excels on a team that is insanely deep. Remember back in the "hay day" of 2006 and 2007. Vanek, Roy, and Afinogenov dominated when teams couldn't key in on them because they had Drury's and Briere's lines to contend with. Carter excels because he doesn't face the top matchups. The Kopitar line does.
- buffalofan19

You can say the same about any player on a good team. Hell, even in Colombus when he was "pouting" he was on pace for 30 goals. He also gets stereotyped a one dimensional player which couldn't be further from the truth

Bingo.

He's not the guy. At this point he's going to be at best option 4 behind Kopitar, Doughty, and Gabby.

He had a chance to be the guy and cried like a baby.
- dadeadhead

He will step up when Gabby misses his annual 30-40 games a year

You can say the same about any player on a good team. Hell, even in Colombus when he was "pouting" he was on pace for 30 goals. He also gets stereotyped a one dimensional player which couldn't be further from the truth
- sbroads24

His Columbus time.


8 games to start the year no goals, scores 3 in the next 2, then goes 6 without a goal, scores 4 in the next four, goes 2 without, scores 3 in the next, then 0 in the next 7, 2 in 2, then 0 in the next 6, scores 3, and then traded.


That's Vanek like consistency.


He's an avg set up man. One season where he had more assists than goals. Good two way guy.

He will step up when Gabby misses his annual 30-40 games a year
- sbroads24

Gabby has missed more than 30 games 3 times in his 13 seasons.

His Columbus time.


8 games to start the year no goals, scores 3 in the next 2, then goes 6 without a goal, scores 4 in the next four, goes 2 without, scores 3 in the next, then 0 in the next 7, 2 in 2, then 0 in the next 6, scores 3, and then traded.


That's Vanek like consistency.
- dadeadhead

You are using one half season as an example.

Regardless of what team or country the guy plays on, he wins and produces during.

Is he a superstar? No but I never said he was, IMO people like you under rate him

You are using one half season as an example.

Regardless of what team or country the guy plays on, he wins and produces during.

Is he a superstar? No but I never said he was, IMO people like you under rate him
- sbroads24

Good goal scorer, avg set up man, good two way player, and not a guy you build a team around as he needs others to be successful.

If Kopitar were to go down for a lengthy time, they're up poops creek.

I rate him for exactly what he is. A cog in the wheel.

You are using one half season as an example.


- sbroads24

He goes long stretches every year. He's a streaky goal scorer much like Vanek. Only difference is Carter has a 2 way game where Vanek and own zone play don't get along.

Good goal scorer, avg set up man, good two way player, and not a guy you build a team around as he needs others to be successful.

If Kopitar were to go down for a lengthy time, they're up poops creek.

I rate him for exactly what he is. A cog in the wheel.
- dadeadhead

IMO he's more than a cog. He's an all-star caliber player who can play center or wing.

His playoff performances the last 2 years would suggest he's better than an average top 6 player.

I guess just agree to disagree

For the kids/some adults on here that don't know the greatness of David Gilmour, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/w...&list=RD4N82TLB03Vk#t=441

For the kids/some adults on here that don't know the greatness of David Gilmour, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/w...&list=RD4N82TLB03Vk#t=441


- LetsGoBuffalo75

The only human being mightier than Matt Ellis is David Gilmore with a guitar.

He also had 25 points in 26 playoff games this year with 2 rookies on his wings for the most part.

2 time cup champ, 2x gold medal winner.

Vanek isn't nearly as accomplished or as consistent as Carter
- sbroads24

Career

Vanek has played 290 games with zero points (.4374% of the time)

Carter has played 307 games with zero points (.4827% of the time)


Vanek's 556 points have come in 373 out of his 663 gp

Carter's 460 points have come in 329 out of his 636 gp.

It's pretty close to equal as when Vanek has a point he avg's 1.491 per game compared to Carter's 1.398.

They are both paid to score goals and IMO are both equally streaky.

If one is a Star than so is the other.


Vanek is a better goal and point producer than Carter.

Carter is a better 2 way player than Vanek.

I'd want neither on the current Buffalo Sabres.