So... Still my going to answer the question, eh?
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wait, time away from the site doesn't erase questions, statements, and probably even memories?

JESUS CHRIST DOPPS WHAT THE FLYING (frank) IS THIS
- Streit2ThePoint

Evidence that people who don't wear baseball caps aren't very popular.

This argument needs to end

This argument needs to end
- A_Tree

I'm sure it would if dopps could provide a reason why he thinks wearing a niqqab at a ceremony DESTROYS CANADIAN VALUES!!!!

This argument needs to end
- A_Tree

(frank) CANADA

(frank) CANADA
- watsonnostaw

Yes, lets get Dopps' thoughts on #blacklivesmatter. I'm sure he won't be completely biased towards whatever fox says.

Yes, lets get Dopps' thoughts on #blacklivesmatter. I'm sure he won't be completely biased towards whatever fox says.
- Feeling Glucky?

548,947,143 FOXES SAY

(frank) CANADA
- watsonnostaw

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- PhillySportsGuy

I CANT WAIT FOR THE PORN STARS HALLOWEEN PARTY

548,947,143 FOXES SAY


- watsonnostaw

jesus (frank)ing christ that makes me cringe

I think if you simplify the debate to one or two women it obviously seems irrelevant but it does open up a much larger debate about what is expected of immigrants in Canada (and all over the western world really, this isn't isolated to Canada or North America).

Is the host country expected to accommodate the newly arrived or are the newly arrived expected to accommodate the way of life of their new home?

comes down to the Melting Pot vs. multiculturalism really. A few decades ago, immigrants would leave places that weren't going to well to come to the west and look for new opportunities and a new life for themselves. Italians, Greeks, Polish, Scandinavians, many came and decided they would identify as American or Canadian or wherever they went to. They'd keep traditions of the old country in their home but outwardly they were proud to identify as citizens of their new home and made sure their children learned the language and customs of their new country. I know this was the case for my parents. They've always thought us that we are Canadian first and foremost. I never even learned their home langauge becasue they made sure I could speak English and French before anything else.

with the way we view multiculturalism today I think we've completely eroded that. People come here now and immediately expect all the benefits of their new home immediately but still want to preserve their own way of life to a certain extent. You can't have it both ways. Again breaking down the entire thing to one or two women seems ridiculous but you can't blame people for asking themselves "what's next?"

The city I grew up in has a large muslim population and they've been asked and refused several times to reserve times at public pools and other installations for women only. SO far they've refused but what do you say? It's just one pool for one hour a day it's ridiculous to be opposed to it? There are consequences to what people are allowed to do and what they're not and I don't think it's fair to accuse people of being narrow-minded or xenophobic becasue they want to preserve their own way of life. Just the same as new immigrants want to preserve theirs, the people already here have a right to it as well.
- dt99999

WOW. Very well said.

WOW. Very well said.
- Gramps28

meh. he's potatoly

meh. he's potatoly
- Pie

That explains a lot.

So... Still my going to answer the question, eh?
- Feeling Glucky?

- D0PPELGANGER

Guess not

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34487997

MOAR GUNS!!!1!!!

Sidow decided to start wearing the face covering 10 years ago, to the horror of her parents. She was 19 and would wear it for seven years before finally casting it aside.

It was, she says, part of a harmless spiritual exploration based on her lack of understanding of her religion.

“I wore it in the first place because I thought it was a religious obligation,” she says. “I was also going through a lot of soul-searching – trying to find more meaning in my life and showing my gratitude to God.

“At first, I found it empowering and was hoping that along the way it would help me to grow spiritually, but ultimately it was just a burden.”


http://ottawacitizen.com/...urden-for-the-love-of-god

Beginning this week, we asked respondents two questions on the niqab. First, we asked them if they agreed or disagreed with the following statement: “Women wearing a niqab or face covering should be forced to reveal their face when giving an oath of citizenship.”

Then we asked if they agreed or disagreed with this statement: “Women working in the federal civil service should not be allowed to wear a niqab or face covering when interacting with the public.”

On the citizenship oath measure, 72 per cent of Canadians agree. Just 14 per cent disagree. (Another 14 per cent either don’t know or are ambivalent.) This opinion is not isolated to “old stock” Canadians. Among those citizens born outside the country, 70 per cent agree with forcing women to reveal their faces.

http://ottawacitizen.com/...ide-even-among-immigrants

Court ruling means politicians should drop niqab issue

Conservative Party Leader Stephen Harper and his strange political bedfellow, Gilles Duceppe of the Bloc Québécois, have a golden opportunity to lower the temperature on the debate over the niqab in Canada. They should seize it, although their actions to date don’t offer much hope that they will.

On Monday, the Federal Court of Appeal refused to suspend its ruling from last month that effectively allows Zunera Ishaq, a Muslim woman, to cover her face when she takes her oath of Canadian citizenship. The government appealed last month’s decision to the Supreme Court, and it wanted its policy of banning niqabs at citizenship ceremonies to remain in place in the interim.

Monday’s ruling means Ms. Ishaq can become a Canadian citizen in time to vote in the election on Oct. 19. It also means that Mr. Harper and Mr. Duceppe can leave this emotional and unworthy issue to the side and stick to real ones, such as Canada’s stalled economy, health care and climate change.

If only. The Conservative and Bloc leaders have both exploited concerns about the niqab in particular, and Muslims in general, to advance their parties’ interests. Mr. Harper has shown himself especially willing to up the ante. Last week, his party announced that a re-elected Conservative government would create a hotline to report “barbaric cultural practices” to police. On Tuesday, he said a new Tory government would consider prohibiting federal civil servants from wearing niqabs.

We will say it again: Many people believe that a veiled female face goes against Canadian values. In a free society, they are entitled to that belief. But Canada’s religious freedoms mean a woman can wear a niqab in public.

Ms. Ishaq will remove her niqab, in private, in front of an official before taking her oath of citizenship. She has never once hidden her identity, as Mr. Harper and Mr. Duceppe falsely contend. On the contrary, she has bravely put herself forward to stand up for an important Canadian right. She will make a great citizen.

Ms. Ishaq, niqab wearer, stauncher defender of Canadian values than any conservative.

Strong support for banning niqabs in public service: study


The opposition to niqabs in front-line federal jobs crosses all political stripes: 74 per cent of respondents said they voted Conservative in 2011, followed by NDP voters (66 per cent) and Liberal voters (56 per cent). About 86 per cent voted Bloc Québécois and 51 per cent for the Green Party.

The political-affiliation numbers were much the same on the question of niqabs at citizenship ceremonies.

http://ottawacitizen.com/...s-in-public-service-study

Ms. Ishaq, niqab wearer, stauncher defender of Canadian values than any conservative.
- Feeling Glucky?

please post the section of the Charter of rights, that describes the "right" to mask your face, during a citizenship ceremony.

please post the section of the Charter of rights, that describes the "right" to mask your face, during a citizenship ceremony.
- D0PPELGANGER

"Fundamental Freedoms"

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

..

"Fundamental Freedoms"

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
- Feeling Glucky?

You don't seem to be able to find the "right to wear a mask (face covering)"...........and need i remind you the Niqab is not religious, neither is the Burka or the Veil, as ALL these face coverings were used to subjugate women 100's of years before the birth of Islam, and is not required in the Muslim faith............ but for some reason you've been duped into thinking the opposite.


Also please remember that the Charter of Freedom and Right apply to Canadians, and NOT to persons inthe process of becoming Citizens.


You "Elites" seem to forget that point, eh?