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PensFanRVA
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Richmond, VA
Joined: 04.02.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:04 PM ET
The #Pens have re-signed forward Zach Sill to a one-year, two-way deal worth $550K. Release
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:14 PM ET
The #Pens have re-signed forward Zach Sill to a one-year, two-way deal worth $550K. Release
- PensFanRVA

Things just keep getting better and better. I feel like GMJR reads my mind.
PensFanRVA
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Richmond, VA
Joined: 04.02.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:17 PM ET
Things just keep getting better and better. I feel like GMJR reads my mind.
- nbartley9


Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 3 @ 12:18 PM ET
Things just keep getting better and better. I feel like GMJR reads my mind.
- nbartley9

Good signing. Lets sign Gibbons now.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:20 PM ET
Good signing. Lets sign Gibbons now.
- Orpik44

That I wouldn't feel so great about, he is far better suited for the AHL; I cant get on the Gibbons train.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 3 @ 12:21 PM ET
Yep. Anthrocon starts this weekend. It's the largest annual mascot-f*cking convention in the country. A friend & I were going to go with me dressed as a dude going on a safari (think that guy from Jumanji) and her in THE sluttiest leopard costume I've ever seen. But she screwed up her back a few weeks back & is bed-ridden.

Next year though... watch out.

- ScienceJesus



Dressing up as a hunter... awesome idea
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:29 PM ET
That I wouldn't feel so great about, he is far better suited for the AHL; I cant get on the Gibbons train.
- nbartley9

I'm with you on that I'm not a big gibby guy. Madden said yesterday there was 1 person who thought he was an NHL player and that was bylsma. He looks to be right considering he hasn't been signed yet
87_71_11_29
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: In a van down by the river, PA
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:31 PM ET
Anyone listen to Madden's rant yesterday about Adams?

He was talking about what a locker room issue he was, always in Dan's office, young players didn't like him as he tried to intimidate them, etc..
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 3 @ 12:32 PM ET
That I wouldn't feel so great about, he is far better suited for the AHL; I cant get on the Gibbons train.
- nbartley9

Two way deal I Mean. Not a bad signing If that happens.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:34 PM ET
Anyone listen to Madden's rant yesterday about Adams?

He was talking about what a locker room issue he was, always in Dan's office, young players didn't like him as he tried to intimidate them, etc..

- 87_71_11_29

This is very very interesting, I don't like the sound of this at all. HCMJ better take care of good old grey beard ASAP.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 3 @ 12:34 PM ET
Anyone listen to Madden's rant yesterday about Adams?

He was talking about what a locker room issue he was, always in Dan's office, young players didn't like him as he tried to intimidate them, etc..

- 87_71_11_29



Sounds really odd... I don't recall ever hearing an issue about Adams before. You'd think a lifetime bottom 6 player wouldn't try to be an intimidator to teammates.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:35 PM ET
Two way deal I Mean. Not a bad signing If that happens.
- Orpik44

I wouldn't mind that I guess
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:38 PM ET
Anyone listen to Madden's rant yesterday about Adams?

He was talking about what a locker room issue he was, always in Dan's office, young players didn't like him as he tried to intimidate them, etc..

- 87_71_11_29


If he was truly an issue, I'm sure the new regime will deal with it. They have no emotional ties to him like Bylsma and Shero. If he's a headache, he's an easily removed one.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 3 @ 12:40 PM ET
If he was truly an issue, I'm sure the new regime will deal with it. They have no emotional ties to him like Bylsma and Shero. If he's a headache, he's an easily removed one.
- rival22



Very true... especially being an already questionable spot on the 4th line if he makes it this year. I simply don't believe these claims, far too late in a career to just now hear this.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:41 PM ET
If he was truly an issue, I'm sure the new regime will deal with it. They have no emotional ties to him like Bylsma and Shero. If he's a headache, he's an easily removed one.
- rival22

That's the beauty of this is there are no attachments from management. Decisions are being based on present vs past
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:49 PM ET
Anyone listen to Madden's rant yesterday about Adams?

He was talking about what a locker room issue he was, always in Dan's office, young players didn't like him as he tried to intimidate them, etc..

- 87_71_11_29


Not buying what Madden's selling.
tbassett
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Northern Cambria, PA
Joined: 07.02.2014

Jul 3 @ 1:04 PM ET
Rutherford needs to take things to the next level. Here's my plan. If this works you would have to get Scuderi off the books which I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

Rutherford should offer sheet Riley Smith from the Bruins for the max of a second round pick. I think it's around 3.2 million. No matter what happens we hurt the Bruins whom is obviously a contender in our conference.

If it works we lose a 2nd but gain a RW for our top line. If not Bruins have even more cap problems they will have to deal with.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jul 3 @ 1:09 PM ET
Rutherford needs to take things to the next level. Here's my plan. If this works you would have to get Scuderi off the books which I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

Rutherford should offer sheet Riley Smith from the Bruins for the max of a second round pick. I think it's around 3.2 million. No matter what happens we hurt the Bruins whom is obviously a contender in our conference.

If it works we lose a 2nd but gain a RW for our top line. If not Bruins have even more cap problems they will have to deal with.

- tbassett


No one likes to rock the boat with offer sheets... But would Rutherford care if he's not going to be here in a few years?

But starting offer sheet poaching might not be the best idea in the world with our young defensemen on the horizon.
TheMagicConch
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Poundtown, NY
Joined: 03.27.2013

Jul 3 @ 1:10 PM ET
Messed around quite a bit on capgeek today and came up with a roster of:

Bennett-Crosby-Marleau
Kunitz-Malkin-Hornqvist
Dupuis-Goc-Downie
Comeau-Spaling-Adams

Letang-Ehrhoff
Despres-Maatta
Harrington-Dumoulin
Bortuzzo

Niemi
Greiss


Cap Space: 6.3 mil

Moves made:
1. Trade Scuderi for absolutely anything, just clear his space somehow. With the abundance of cap space left we could also potentially retain some $ in a deal if necessary.
2. Trade Sutter for picks
3. Trade Martin, Fleury, and acquired picks for Marleau and Niemi

This is clearly just a pipedream, but I believe it makes sense in a lot of situations because SJ could definitely use a top4 dman and gets a top2 with Martin. Furthermore with Niemi and MAF being relatively close as goalies, the picks can serve as compensation for the Niemi's lower cap hit. From the pens perspective the most concerning thing is the youth in the D, but I believe these particular young players would be able to handle it and if not there's enough space to sign a vet Dman.

EDIT:
I'd also prefer having Gibbons on the 4th in place of Adams
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Jul 3 @ 1:11 PM ET
Rutherford needs to take things to the next level. Here's my plan. If this works you would have to get Scuderi off the books which I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

Rutherford should offer sheet Riley Smith from the Bruins for the max of a second round pick. I think it's around 3.2 million. No matter what happens we hurt the Bruins whom is obviously a contender in our conference.

If it works we lose a 2nd but gain a RW for our top line. If not Bruins have even more cap problems they will have to deal with.

- tbassett


I doubt they do it but it's a good idea.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 3 @ 1:12 PM ET
Messed around quite a bit on capgeek today and came up with a roster of:

Bennett-Crosby-Marleau
Kunitz-Malkin-Hornqvist
Dupuis-Goc-Downie
Comeau-Spaling-Adams

Letang-Ehrhoff
Despres-Maatta
Harrington-Dumoulin
Bortuzzo

Niemi
Greiss

Cap Space: 6.3 mil

Moves made:
1. Trade Scuderi for absolutely anything, just clear his space somehow. With the abundance of cap space left we could also potentially retain some $ in a deal if necessary.
2. Trade Sutter for picks
3. Trade Martin, Fleury, and acquired picks for Marleau and Niemi

This is clearly just a pipedream, but I believe it makes sense in a lot of situations because SJ could definitely use a top4 dman and gets a top2 with Martin. Furthermore with Niemi and MAF being relatively close as goalies, the picks can serve as compensation for the Niemi's lower cap hit. From the pens perspective the most concerning thing is the youth in the D, but I believe these particular young players would be able to handle it and if not there's enough space to sign a vet Dman.

- TheMagicConch


6+ mil in cap space...
Incredible Malk
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: South Side, Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.23.2009

Jul 3 @ 1:15 PM ET
No one likes to rock the boat with offer sheets... But would Rutherford care if he's not going to be here in a few years?

But starting offer sheet poaching might not be the best idea in the world with our young defensemen on the horizon.

- rival22


^^Thisx2

There are a lot of cap strapped teams (I'm looking at you, Boston!) with some interesting RFA's. As a GM you do risk damaging your rep and black balling yourself whenever you need a potential trade partner, but this is a new era. I think you're going to start to see that unwritten rule fade away.

If you do tender an offer to someone else's RFA then you better be prepared whenever one of your guys come due.
Incredible Malk
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: South Side, Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.23.2009

Jul 3 @ 1:16 PM ET
Rutherford needs to take things to the next level. Here's my plan. If this works you would have to get Scuderi off the books which I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

Rutherford should offer sheet Riley Smith from the Bruins for the max of a second round pick. I think it's around 3.2 million. No matter what happens we hurt the Bruins whom is obviously a contender in our conference.

If it works we lose a 2nd but gain a RW for our top line. If not Bruins have even more cap problems they will have to deal with.

- tbassett


madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 3 @ 1:17 PM ET

Agree. It seems only desperate and dbags go the offersheet route. I don't see it from JR.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 3 @ 1:19 PM ET
Agree. It seems only desperate and dbags go the offersheet route. I don't see it from JR.
- madmike71


I don't know... I could see JR being a total Dbag. Hes old, why is he gonna care what others think of him? I feel like he'd be more likely to do such over a younger GM who (assuming on their part) has another decade or two of wheeling and dealing.
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