I wish some one would punch these "fake Insiders" in the face

Then keep him until the market changes. It always does. He didn't need to be moved immediately. Bad attitude narrative or no bad attitude narrative.
- buffalofan19

There is a window in which to use a compliance buy out. I'm sure Murray did his job trying to gauge his value.

I get it, Ehrhoff was good and we let him go, but in 3-4 years we are going to forget we let him walk, just like Zhitnik

Landeskog is legit. Too legit to.... Get traded
- sbroads24

and the (frank)ing captain ..

this guys is high on glue

Then keep him until the market changes. It always does. He didn't need to be moved immediately. Bad attitude narrative or no bad attitude narrative.
- buffalofan19

They had to act now.

If the league was allowing compliance buyouts next year too, I'm sure he would've hung on to him another year.

Murray's got balls. I like that. He doesn't care what you, I, or anyone thinks. He has a plan.

I wish some one would punch these "fake Insiders" in the face
- GERBE!!!75PTS

This

There is a window in which to use a compliance buy out. I'm sure Murray did his job trying to gauge his value.

I get it, Ehrhoff was good and we let him go, but in 3-4 years we are going to forget we let him walk, just like Zhitnik
- sbroads24

The difference is...they couldn't trade Zhitnik. He was a UFA coming out of the lockout. Even Miro Satan's contract was up. They had neither guy under contract. Completely different scenario.

They had to act now.

If the league was allowing compliance buyouts next year too, I'm sure he would've hung on to him another year.

Murray's got balls. I like that. He doesn't care what you, I, or anyone thinks. He has a plan.
- grand-magus

When you're so far under the floor, why do you need to use a compliance buyout? He'd count for 800k against the cap for the next 14 years.

The difference is...they couldn't trade Zhitnik. He was a UFA coming out of the lockout. Even Miro Satan's contract was up. They had neither guy under contract. Completely different scenario.
- buffalofan19

Zhitnik was almost certain to move the deadline before the lockout and we hung onto him. He eventually walked.

Either way, you are acting like we are the only team to buy out or lose a good player for nothing. It happens every year in every sport.

We have way too many assets to be worrying about a 31 year old defensemen that didn't want to be here

They had to act now.

If the league was allowing compliance buyouts next year too, I'm sure he would've hung on to him another year.

Murray's got balls. I like that. He doesn't care what you, I, or anyone thinks. He has a plan.
- grand-magus

And that's the other thing. Darcy Regier has been shrewd with his buyouts over the year (see Kennedy and Gerbe). If he made this move, everybody would have been after his head, and rightfully so. The only difference is Tim Murray stuck a virtual middle finger in the air so it looks good now.

Zhitnik was almost certain to move the deadline before the lockout and we hung onto him. He eventually walked.

Either way, you are acting like we are the only team to buy out or lose a good player for nothing. It happens every year in every sport.

We have way too many assets to be worrying about a 31 year old defensemen that didn't want to be here
- sbroads24

Buffalo is the only team to let a player under contract with this kind of value to walk for nothing. Murray even said there were offers on the table. He just decided he wasn't being compensated enough for a scenario that probably won't happen.

And that's the other thing. Darcy Regier has been shrewd with his buyouts over the year (see Kennedy and Gerbe). If he made this move, everybody would have been after his head, and rightfully so. The only difference is Tim Murray stuck a virtual middle finger in the air so it looks good now.
- buffalofan19

Darcy signed him to that dumb contract to begin with

When you're so far under the floor, why do you need to use a compliance buyout? He'd count for 800k against the cap for the next 14 years.
- buffalofan19

When this team is good, and our good players need raises, and we can't keep them because of Christian (franking) Ehrhoff, the same people who are crying now about us letting him go for nothing will be crying that this retired defenseman is hamstringing us with his ridiculous recapture penalty.

That's why.

Buffalo is the only team to let a player under contract with this kind of value to walk for nothing. Murray even said there were offers on the table. He just decided he wasn't being compensated enough for a scenario that probably won't happen.
- buffalofan19

The value wasn't there.

Murray isn't the only GM that didn't want to be saddled to him for 7 years I can guarantee you that much

And that's the other thing. Darcy Regier has been shrewd with his buyouts over the year (see Kennedy and Gerbe). If he made this move, everybody would have been after his head, and rightfully so. The only difference is Tim Murray stuck a virtual middle finger in the air so it looks good now.
- buffalofan19

Keep in mind for most of us (including myself really) this is still the hooneymoon phase of his hiring. With virtually no track record (as a general manager) coming in, combined with how numb we became with Darcy, he was put in a position where even the littlest things would make us happy. That's why you don't hear as much complaining from the buyout, we finally drafted top 3 and darcy regier is gone, it'd be pretty challenging for Murray to something this early that would raise eyebrows.

Long story short, the prospects of a new GM leading this team (coming from a scouting background where fans and analysts praised him) trumps this buyout. If we had hired Jim Rutherford and he had done this, I'd probably flip poop.

When this team is good, and our good players need raises, and we can't keep them because of Christian (franking) Ehrhoff, the same people who are crying now about us letting him go for nothing will be crying that this retired defenseman is hamstringing us with his ridiculous recapture penalty.

That's why.
- grand-magus

I wish there was a tangible realistic way of doing this because we won't know for at least three years down the road, but I would be willing bet just about anything that it will turn out not to have been an issue. It's a chicken little scenario.

I'd give half this team away for Landeskog
- Cheeseballin

Don't think COL wants half the team, just Myers most likely.

Colorado would hang up the phone
- sbroads24

Of course they would.

I wish there was a tangible realistic way of doing this because we won't know for at least three years down the road, but I would be willing bet just about anything that it will turn out not to have been an issue. It's a chicken little scenario.
- buffalofan19

I'll agree that it sucks losing him for nothing, but like someone else said a few comments before, much like Zhitnik, in three years no one will give a sh!te about Ehrhoff. We'll be drooling over Risto, Zads, McCabe, Myers, Etc. to even care anymore.

Darcy signed him to that dumb contract to begin with
- sbroads24

It wasn't a dumb contract. Again, it became "dumb" when the NHL decided to install a retroactive rule in order to the compensate for the fact that it installed a cap that anybody with kindergarten math ability could manipulate. And it's funny, because if this contract had been signed by somebody else, this is the exact kind of contract the Sabres would be taking on right now: lower salary, higher cap. The only difference is that they didn't run a small risk of a cap penalty that probably won't come to fruition anyway.

I'll agree that it sucks losing him for nothing, but like someone else said a few comments before, much like Zhitnik, in three years no one will give a poope about Ehrhoff. We'll be drooling over Risto, Zads, McCabe, Myers, Etc. to even care anymore.
- grand-magus

The way i see it. If he got an ass tastic offer, we end up losing for Ehrhoff for nothing anyways in that kind of trade. Seriously if it was something like a late 2nd and a UFA, the trade becomes a wash in a few years, just like this buyout will.

It wasn't a dumb contract. Again, it became "dumb" when the NHL decided to install a retroactive rule in order to the compensate for the fact that it installed a cap that anybody with kindergarten math ability could manipulate. And it's funny, because if this contract had been signed by somebody else, this is the exact kind of contract the Sabres would be taking on right now: lower salary, higher cap. The only difference is that they didn't run a small risk of a cap penalty that probably won't come to fruition anyway.
- buffalofan19

Again, Darcy's biggest problem was that he was lobbying for his job yearly. So he took the NJD route of whatever it takes to sign the player, except with the Devils, Kovy was an actual star player. Both situations backfired

The contract and the fact that he signed a player for a decade was plain dumb. So is the NHL rules

Again, Darcy's biggest problem was that he was lobbying for his job yearly. So he took the NJD route of whatever it takes to sign the player, except with the Devils, Kovy was an actual star player. Both situations backfired

The contract and the fact that he signed a player for a decade was plain dumb. So is the NHL rules
- sbroads24

Btw, I said it back then, and I still say it now: the penalty levied on New Jersey was absolute horsecrap.

Both contracts should still be standing today without recapture.

It wasn't a dumb contract. Again, it became "dumb" when the NHL decided to install a retroactive rule in order to the compensate for the fact that it installed a cap that anybody with kindergarten math ability could manipulate. And it's funny, because if this contract had been signed by somebody else, this is the exact kind of contract the Sabres would be taking on right now: lower salary, higher cap. The only difference is that they didn't run a small risk of a cap penalty that probably won't come to fruition anyway.
- buffalofan19

Aren't you like me in which you don't like long term FA's? Why is Ehrhoff different ?

Aren't you like me in which you don't like long term FA's? Why is Ehrhoff different ?
- sbroads24

I said I didn't want to take any more on. I also said I was okay with the ones already in place. Finally, I also said I expected Ehrhoff to be traded, though I wasn't in an immediate hurry.

Also, I do have a feeling the Sabres may have no choice but to trade for some multi-year contracts in order to get to the floor. I doubt they fill it in free agency. I know Murray said he's been "contacted by legitimate NHL players", but "legitimate NHL players" are also known to use teams as leverage. That's what Buffalo is going to be this year: a pawn to squeeze more cash out of contenders and pretenders.

I said I didn't want to take any more on. I also said I was okay with the ones already in place. Finally, I also said I expected Ehrhoff to be traded, though I wasn't in an immediate hurry.

Also, I do have a feeling the Sabres may have no choice but to trade for some multi-year contracts in order to get to the floor. I doubt they fill it in free agency. I know Murray said he's been "contacted by legitimate NHL players", but "legitimate NHL players" are also known to use teams as leverage. That's what Buffalo is going to be this year: a pawn to squeeze more cash out of contenders and pretenders.
- buffalofan19

Id be ok trading for a player or two.