Were not talking about the Senators top 6 at all. All I'm saying is that if you believe your team is good enough right now to win a cup you've lost your marbles
- forbetterorWORSE

Our team is close. We have put ourselves in a great position, and have fallen the last three years to the Kings & Blackhawks in the playoffs. (with the last two series going up 2-0 before losing)

We are close, and we have been knocked out by great teams. To say we are not close is not accurate. We still have holes to fill, and are actively trying to do that.

Spezza in my opinion would be a great addition to our team and would fill a huge hole. But at what cost? The Blues are not going to open up another hole to fill this one, so the deal has to make sense for the Blues or it won't be done.

Oshie had 60 points last year, Spezza had 66. What's the point I trading for an older more broken down version of one of the games best young players.

He played in the Olympics - Spezza is not returning an Olympian (or at least a real one, no offence Daugavins)
- tuna99

By that logic, if Claude Giroux were available and the Flyers accepted a trade for Oshie and prospects, that would be equivalently outrageous, right?

I see Spezza and Giroux as pretty comparable players, Giroux just had a better recent season given he had Voracek on his wing, and based on what I've read here stats and untapped potential are all that matters for trade discussions between NHL teams.

It's why Gunnarson gets traded for Polak, and why Purcell and Crombeen get traded for a sixth round pick...

You know +/- means nothing when you are considering players who play a regular PP shift like Michalek did, as a lot of the offensive output is not included in their +/- results, right?
- ahjnkn

Our team is close. We have put ourselves in a great position, and have fallen the last three years to the Kings & Blackhawks in the playoffs. (with the last two series going up 2-0 before losing)

We are close, and we have been knocked out by great teams. To say we are not close is not accurate. We still have holes to fill, and are actively trying to do that.

Spezza in my opinion would be a great addition to our team and would fill a huge hole. But at what cost? The Blues are not going to open up another hole to fill this one, so the deal has to make sense for the Blues or it won't be done.
- carcus

Don't the blues have a huge hole in nets at the moment?

Oshie is a good player,but Stlouis is overating his value a bit here kid is 24 and has one 50 point season .He is a decent second line winger ,that can score 20 and add some speed.Not anything close to the gamebreaker Spezza is ,i dont see what the holdup is about really

- top shelf 15

Well, Oshie is worth much more to St Louis than a 2nd line winger.

He is a big player when it comes to marketing for us, especially after the Olympics. He is worth so much more to St Louis than he would be worth to any other team, so I can't imagine another team offering a deal that St Louis would agree to with Oshie being a part of it. It would have to be a huge overpayment from the other team, and I don't see any reason for another team to do that.

He is not a player that you make a huge overpayment to get. So he will be in St Louis where the fans go crazy for him, and where he is worth as much if not more off the ice than on the ice.

Our team is close. We have put ourselves in a great position, and have fallen the last three years to the Kings & Blackhawks in the playoffs. (with the last two series going up 2-0 before losing)

We are close, and we have been knocked out by great teams. To say we are not close is not accurate. We still have holes to fill, and are actively trying to do that.

Spezza in my opinion would be a great addition to our team and would fill a huge hole. But at what cost? The Blues are not going to open up another hole to fill this one, so the deal has to make sense for the Blues or it won't be done.
- carcus

We are making quite the hole on our team too ,Spezza for Oshie straight up .Its fair .Spezza has made it no secret he want to play for St louis ,and would resign there.Holding up a deal on a ppg center for a second line winger .Come on you want a chance the big prize, or is your team happy watching all the other teams in your confrence get stronger .While you guys stay the same

Well, Oshie is worth much more to St Louis than a 2nd line winger.

He is a big player when it comes to marketing for us, especially after the Olympics. He is worth so much more to St Louis than he would be worth to any other team, so I can't imagine another team offering a deal that St Louis would agree to with Oshie being a part of it. It would have to be a huge overpayment from the other team, and I don't see any reason for another team to do that.

He is not a player that you make a huge overpayment to get. So he will be in St Louis where the fans go crazy for him, and where he is worth as much if not more off the ice than on the ice.
- carcus

Fans go crazy about spezza too... But more of a negative way.

Don't the blues have a huge hole in nets at the moment?
- monkhouse

Actually, I think they do. They are banking on Allen living up to potential, but that doesn't always work out too well.

I don't think it is a great idea to bank on a rookie. At least we have a very good backup that can at least share the load in net if Allen doesn't pan out. But we aren't going to win in the playoffs if Allen doesn't step up IMO.

Well, Oshie is worth much more to St Louis than a 2nd line winger.

He is a big player when it comes to marketing for us, especially after the Olympics. He is worth so much more to St Louis than he would be worth to any other team, so I can't imagine another team offering a deal that St Louis would agree to with Oshie being a part of it. It would have to be a huge overpayment from the other team, and I don't see any reason for another team to do that.

He is not a player that you make a huge overpayment to get. So he will be in St Louis where the fans go crazy for him, and where he is worth as much if not more off the ice than on the ice.
- carcus

To be fair we are the ones that will be giving up the best player in any deal involving spezza and oshie .Oshie will not be the reason you guys win or lose the cup .Spezza has led his team to one

Our team is close. We have put ourselves in a great position, and have fallen the last three years to the Kings & Blackhawks in the playoffs. (with the last two series going up 2-0 before losing)

We are close, and we have been knocked out by great teams. To say we are not close is not accurate. We still have holes to fill, and are actively trying to do that.

Spezza in my opinion would be a great addition to our team and would fill a huge hole. But at what cost? The Blues are not going to open up another hole to fill this one, so the deal has to make sense for the Blues or it won't be done.
- carcus

I agree the Blues are close but you need to improve your PP by a huge margin and get those adman moving and have a player that can get them the puck with space.

Spezza to the RD dman is exactly what St Louis needs on their PP. Get pieterangelo Spezza and the blues will have a top 5 NHL power play, not to mention getting a ton more out of Pieterangelo who was quiet on the point versus Chicago. . Spezza fed Gonchars, Corvo, and EK beautiful soft passes in his time in Ottawa, this to me is what the Blues need more then anything, a player who can create space along the LB and make space at the points for those elite Dman

We are making quite the hole on our team too ,Spezza for Oshie straight up .Its fair .Spezza has made it no secret he want to play for St louis ,and would resign there.Holding up a deal on a ppg center for a second line winger .Come on you want a chance the big prize, or is your team happy watching all the other teams in your confrence get stronger .While you guys stay the same
- top shelf 15

No, it is not for St Louis. He means more to this team than what you see him as a player.

I like Spezza. But he is not going to be traded for Oshie. Oshie is more than a 2nd line winger for the Blues. Heck, he may even play on the 3rd line if the Blues make deals and bring in a player or two. He will still be extremely valuable to the Blues. And more valuable to the Blues than any other team right now. So I can't see an offer that the Blues would take.

Well, Oshie is worth much more to St Louis than a 2nd line winger.

He is a big player when it comes to marketing for us, especially after the Olympics. He is worth so much more to St Louis than he would be worth to any other team, so I can't imagine another team offering a deal that St Louis would agree to with Oshie being a part of it. It would have to be a huge overpayment from the other team, and I don't see any reason for another team to do that.

He is not a player that you make a huge overpayment to get. So he will be in St Louis where the fans go crazy for him, and where he is worth as much if not more off the ice than on the ice.
- carcus

a top line center for a 2nd line winger would be considered a pretty big overpayment by a lot of people.

IMO, spezza does more for the blues on the ice then oshie does. and if he helps them win, which he could, then people forget about oshie REALLY fast.

i think it's a fair deal for both teams. and it doesn't create a whole in your roster, you still have lots of good young wingers.....i've also been led to believe that berglund could slide over to the wing. so you have a top six of

schwartz - spezza - tarasenko
berglund - backes - steen

looks pretty good to me.

To be fair we are the ones that will be giving up the best player in any deal involving spezza and oshie .Oshie will not be the reason you guys win or lose the cup .Spezza has led his team to one

- top shelf 15

I am not arguing that Oshie is a better player.

But Oshie is more valuable to the Blues. He will not be traded for Spezza (the better player)

No, it is not for St Louis. He means more to this team than what you see him as a player.

I like Spezza. But he is not going to be traded for Oshie. Oshie is more than a 2nd line winger for the Blues. Heck, he may even play on the 3rd line if the Blues make deals and bring in a player or two. He will still be extremely valuable to the Blues. And more valuable to the Blues than any other team right now. So I can't see an offer that the Blues would take.
- carcus

This is fair i suppose,but its also fair if we choose not to move him for less either is it not ??

This is fair i suppose,but its also fair if we choose not to move him for less either is it not ??
- top shelf 15

Agreed.

I have no problem with Ottawa not accepting what the Blues are willing to give up. Because the Blues are probably not willing to give up enough to make it worth it for the Sens. IMO, the Blues are probably offering a deal that is not acceptable, but what is it like compared to other teams offers? Every team that is interested is probably low balling the Sens. And they probably should be.

Now, once FA opens up and Statsny gets signed, that might change. Especially with Kesler already being traded. Teams will get more desperate that are looking for a top center. The Blues are not desperate yet. And I doubt that we ever get desperate enough to give a player that most on here are wanting. (Oshie, Shattenkirk, Tarasenko, or Schwartz)

Agreed.

I have no problem with Ottawa not accepting what the Blues are willing to give up. Because the Blues are probably not willing to give up enough to make it worth it for the Sens. IMO, the Blues are probably offering a deal that is not acceptable, but what is it like compared to other teams offers? Every team that is interested is probably low balling the Sens. And they probably should be.

Now, once FA opens up and Statsny gets signed, that might change. Especially with Kesler already being traded. Teams will get more desperate that are looking for a top center. The Blues are not desperate yet. And I doubt that we ever get desperate enough to give a player that most on here are wanting. (Oshie, Shattenkirk, Tarasenko, or Schwartz)
- carcus

Yep hense no movement will likely take place ,until Statsny is signed .Then it will be up to stlouis if they want to go further with spezza or bow out completely

Also according to bruce g at the sun we are looking at graboski,havlat,booth kulimen etc

- top shelf 15

Be like A Leafs reunion party. Go get Schenn as well.

@6thSens: Sounds like Dallas GM Jim Nill was on @dfwticket this morning and confirmed interest in Spezza. Will look for audio.


What would Dallas' comparable be to Hornqvist,Spaling and the 11th overall?

Eakin and Ritchie?
- Cup 06

I'd say that by a 'hockey trade' Nill was referring to having multiple pieces in play from both sides. My guess would be something like Chiasson, Daley and one of Faksa/Ritchie/Glennie for Spezza and Methot could get it done provided an extension could be reached.

Do that and go after Ehrhoff and another UFA forward (provided Michalek resigns, if not say Grabovski and Kulemin) and this team would look pretty solid:

Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek/UFA-Grabovski-Chiasson
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone
Condra-Smith-Greening/Neil
ex: Greening/Neil, Lazar

Karlsson-Ehrhoff
Cowen-Weircioch
Gryba-Daley
ex: Phillips, Ceci

Anderson
Lehner

Be like A Leafs reunion party. Go get Schenn as well.
- walshyleafsfan

Kulie and grabs would be decent add,s .We have far too many kids up front ,they could help brace them a bit .Besides we need an entire third line

Be like A Leafs reunion party. Go get Schenn as well.
- walshyleafsfan

To much pugnacity, truculence, testosterone and belligerence if we add Schenn.

I'd say that by a 'hockey trade' Nill was referring to having multiple pieces in play from both sides. My guess would be something like Chiasson, Daley and one of Faksa/Ritchie/Glennie for Spezza and Methot could get it done provided an extension could be reached.

Do that and go after Ehrhoff and another UFA forward (provided Michalek resigns, if not say Grabovski and Kulemin) and this team would look pretty solid:

Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek/UFA-Grabovski-Chiasson
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone
Condra-Smith-Greening/Neil
ex: Greening/Neil, Lazar

Karlsson-Ehrhoff
Cowen-Weircioch
Gryba-Daley
ex: Phillips, Ceci

Anderson
Lehner
- ahjnkn

Again no way do we put three kids on the same line,they will get owned

To much pugnacity, truculence, testosterone and belligerence if we add Schenn.
- tuna99

Yeah. I'm surprised Sens fans rate Kuli so highly after seeing him as often as they do. Grabbo i used to love. He was exciting. Pretty selfish, but excting. Not sure how is health is doing at the moment.

Yeah. I'm surprised Sens fans rate Kuli so highly after seeing him as often as they do. Grabbo i used to love. He was exciting. Pretty selfish, but excting. Not sure how is health is doing at the moment.
- walshyleafsfan

i think kuli would be a great addition for our 3rd line, and could step up into our 2nd line when needed.

i think he didn't fit well into carlyle's system, but would fit nicely into maclean's puck possession system. not saying he'd be a 30 goal scorer again, but i think 15-20 and 40pts is a possibility

Again no way do we put three kids on the same line,they will get owned
- top shelf 15

Worked well last year when we used them as our third line after Hemsky arrived. Hoffman is scary fast and stone is very responsible defensively and they all have offensive talent to some extent. It would use a strategy of overwhelming another team's grinder lines with speed and skill, hoping that most of the shift is in the other team's zone. Can't be scored on when the puck ain't around your crease.

Yeah. I'm surprised Sens fans rate Kuli so highly after seeing him as often as they do. Grabbo i used to love. He was exciting. Pretty selfish, but excting. Not sure how is health is doing at the moment.
- walshyleafsfan

What's wrong with him? Also, our GM is not against trading for broken down players , it won't scare him away - glass claire, Cheechoo, Michalek.

If they are cheap we'll take 'em