MAF+Neal+1st for Rinne+Hornquest+2nd?
- sammy87

Even money swap. When all is said and done..but Rinne is just so dang expensive. And why doesNash want MAF?

Not bad though. Hornqvist is a good centerpiece for Neal.

My thoughts on the matter...

Ducks have cap space and are looking for a top 6 guy, Neal might be a fit. Look for the major piece of the return to be the tenth pick and draft an NHL ready forward - Nikolaj Ehlers comes to mind. Depending on fair value bring more assets into the equation.

Fluery to the Wild. This has been discussed a lot today. Again, try make the return revolve around the Wild's 18th picks. Again add the necessary trade pieces in as you see fit. Draft another Winger. By this point I'm hoping we have our 22nd pick for another winger or Demko. The way goalies project I think it's safe to say you can never have to many in the system.

The free agent signings are clear so take a look. If I had it my way Scuds is gone but that isn't too realistic. I would like Stempniak back but tough to fit in that line up.

Constructive criticism is welcome!

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
Neal to Anaheim (10th pick: Nikolaj Ehlers and Matt Belesky OR Palmieri, anything else?), Fleury to the Wild for the 18 pick + whatever? (Draft another winger). Build through free agency. Try move Scuds for cheaper effective options.
FORWARDS
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Ales Hemsky ($5.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.500m) / Nikolaj Ehlers ($0.900m)
Matt Beleskey ($1.350m) / Marcel Goc ($2.000m) / Steve Bernier ($1.000m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Simon Despres ($1.500m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($3.000m)
Martin Brodeur ($2.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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- penguins-4-life

The centerpiece for Neal isn't the 10th pick. That is poor asset management. You need a top six forward in return as the centerpiece.

We don't need Thatcher Demko. We have two very capable goalie prospects already. At least Shero didn't ignore that.

The Reimer and Marty B tandem makes me vomit. Got to be honest.

Even money swap. When all is said and done..but Rinne is just so dang expensive. And why doesNash want MAF?

Not bad though. Hornqvist is a good centerpiece for Neal.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Bored in a hotel room on a biz trip, trying to throw ideas out there. I have a feeling Neal and MAF will not be starting the season as Pens.

Rinne is expensive though, I didn't realize he had that high of a hit until I just looked it up. Nash does it to get a 1st and a 40g scorer.

The centerpiece for Neal isn't the 10th pick. That is poor asset management. You need a top six forward in return as the centerpiece.

We don't need Thatcher Demko. We have two very capable goalie prospects already. At least Shero didn't ignore that.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's why my thought on it has the 10th pick and Smith-Pelly or Etem coming back. They'd probably be more willing to move Etem over Smith-Pelly based on how well he performed with Getzlaf and Perry. Both very inexpensive right now.

To me, if you can get both Grabo and Kulemin at reasonable prices, that's fine with me.

Trade Sutter, maybe pick up an extra pick. Resign Goc.

Still would love Iginla if he cant iron out a deal with Boston. The guy still has it.

How about Leo Komarov? Guy is a good sandpaper annoying type guy to center your 4th line.
- SuperHenderson13

Haha essentially what I said above.

Nice.

I'm definitely on board to bring Grabovski/Kulemin.

Imagine getting 9th pick from WPG for Fleury/22nd. 10th pick and Smith-Pelly or Etem from ANA for Neal. Draft Perlini & Virtanen.

You get 2 high picks that could both potentially play depending on how they look out of camp. You get a player that's ready now in Smith-Pelly or Etem and they're both cheap. Pick one and you get a good option. Then you bring in Reimer. Fill in whatever holes you want with FA options. Ton of cap space.
- HopintheCordoba

No on Reimer. People want to ship out Fleury for him? Seriously? He will make you wish you had MAF back. He sucks.

Neal - you need a top six ready forward in return, not a pick and a prospect. That is poor asset management. Also, when you consider Jokinen might be moving, that is at least two top six forwards needed. Neither Etem or DSP are that right now.

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Imagine getting 9th pick from WPG for Fleury/22nd. 10th pick and Smith-Pelly or Etem from ANA for Neal. Draft Perlini & Virtanen.

You get 2 high picks that could both potentially play depending on how they look out of camp. You get a player that's ready now in Smith-Pelly or Etem and they're both cheap. Pick one and you get a good option. Then you bring in Reimer. Fill in whatever holes you want with FA options. Ton of cap space.
- HopintheCordoba

I ddon't want to just point negatives but initiial reaction is that i don't think this makes us better this season unless we use all that cap space for another big time top 6 guy. Short term roster is minus nNeal and fleury • plus etem and reimer. Again, I'm all for it assuming we can get the right short term free agents.

Lastly is there much value gained in moving from 22 to 10. Are perilini and virtanen THAT much better than ho-sang or scherbak? Im actually asking, not being a smart ass. I have only focused on reading about guys near our pick range. I've heard the draft class plateaus after the first few picks...

Also, I just saw Halak signed at 4.5, I have a feeling that Hiller will be at 4+...Not sure if it's worth moving MAF with 1 yr left on his contract. I am not convinced that Hiller is an upgrade, and I don't believe Miller is an upgrade over MAF at 6+/yr.

Bored in a hotel room on a biz trip, trying to throw ideas out there. I have a feeling Neal and MAF will not be starting the season as Pens.

Rinne is expensive though, I didn't realize he had that high of a hit until I just looked it up. Nash does it to get a 1st and a 40g scorer.
- sammy87

Hey that's what these boards are for

I guess its just that iI can'tsee any team being ccomfortable with Fleury unless tthey'rereally ddesperate for a goalie to be a contender...like WPG and MIN

Haha essentially what I said above.

Nice.

I'm definitely on board to bring Grabovski/Kulemin.
- Orpik44

I have 0 interest in loading up more Russians on this team. Who is gonna dress when all 3 take the night off?

I've seen enough recent Russian Olympic failures to have any faith in them.

Also, I just saw Halak signed at 4.5, I have a feeling that Hiller will be at 4+...Not sure if it's worth moving MAF with 1 yr left on his contract. I am not convinced that Hiller is an upgrade, and I don't believe Miller is an upgrade over MAF at 6+/yr.
- sammy87

I have zero desire to see Ryan Miller in Pittsburgh at 6+ million for four or five years. I have little faith he gets us over the hump. Waste of cap space.

Hey that's what these boards are for

I guess its just that iI can'tsee any team being ccomfortable with Fleury unless tthey'rereally ddesperate for a goalie to be a contender...like WPG and MIN
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree, I really think MAF has pretty much 0 trade value. Scuds might be easier to move.

My thoughts on the matter...

Ducks have cap space and are looking for a top 6 guy, Neal might be a fit. Look for the major piece of the return to be the tenth pick and draft an NHL ready forward - Nikolaj Ehlers comes to mind. Depending on fair value bring more assets into the equation.

Fluery to the Wild. This has been discussed a lot today. Again, try make the return revolve around the Wild's 18th picks. Again add the necessary trade pieces in as you see fit. Draft another Winger. By this point I'm hoping we have our 22nd pick for another winger or Demko. The way goalies project I think it's safe to say you can never have to many in the system.

The free agent signings are clear so take a look. If I had it my way Scuds is gone but that isn't too realistic. I would like Stempniak back but tough to fit in that line up.

Constructive criticism is welcome!

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
Neal to Anaheim (10th pick: Nikolaj Ehlers and Matt Belesky OR Palmieri, anything else?), Fleury to the Wild for the 18 pick + whatever? (Draft another winger). Build through free agency. Try move Scuds for cheaper effective options.
FORWARDS
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Ales Hemsky ($5.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.500m) / Nikolaj Ehlers ($0.900m)
Matt Beleskey ($1.350m) / Marcel Goc ($2.000m) / Steve Bernier ($1.000m)
Craig Adams ($0.700m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($7.250m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Simon Despres ($1.500m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.375m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($3.000m)
Martin Brodeur ($2.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $999,167
- penguins-4-life

Neal and Fleury for draft picks doesn't really do it for me. The Penguins need young NHL-ready pieces (PLURAL) coming back for Neal to make it an even trade.

As for the proposed Fleury trade, what are you proposing the Penguins send to Toronto for Reimer's rights? Also, I don't see Brodeur playing for $2M. Just don't see it.

Trade Sutter for pick+4th line player.

Trade Neal for Smith-Pelley or Etem + 10th pick.

Re-sign Goc, Stempniak (or Jokinen If price is right)

Sign Grabovski/Kulemin.

Sign Komarov/B.Pouliot.

We'd be a better team all around.

I have 0 interest in loading up more Russians on this team. Who is gonna dress when all 3 take the night off?

I've seen enough recent Russian Olympic failures to have any faith in them.
- sammy87

Grabo is German. I have zero desire seeing both Grabo and Kulemin here. Take Kulemin. He would be great on the third line with Sutter.

A Malkin-Grabo-Kulemin line would be moody to me.

Trade Sutter for pick+4th line player.

Trade Neal for Smith-Pelley or Etem + 10th pick.

Re-sign Goc, Stempniak.

Sign Grabovski/Kulemin.

Sign Komarov/B.Pouliot.

We'd be a better team all around.
- Orpik44

No we wouldn't.

You lose on the Sutter deal. He is worth more than a random prospect and a fringe NHL player

Dupes back makes Stempy redundant to me

Why is it necessary to buy into this joke of a package deal of Grabo and Kulemin? Package deals rarely work.

Komarov, I have zero desire. Rags will resign B. Pouliot IMO.

Grabo is German. I have zero desire seeing both Grabo and Kulemin here. Take Kulemin. He would be great on the third line with Sutter.

A Malkin-Grabo-Kulemin line would be moody to me.
- Oneonta Penguin

Thanks for the catch! When I looked him up they had a Belarus flag for where he started, I thought it was his home nation.

Then we can have Goc and Grabo, team Deutschland!

I ddon't want to just point negatives but initiial reaction is that i don't think this makes us better this season unless we use all that cap space for another big time top 6 guy. Short term roster is minus nNeal and fleury • plus etem and reimer. Again, I'm all for it assuming we can get the right short term free agents.

Lastly is there much value gained in moving from 22 to 10. Are perilini and virtanen THAT much better than ho-sang or scherbak? Im actually asking, not being a smart ass. I have only focused on reading about guys near our pick range. I've heard the draft class plateaus after the first few picks...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm thinking of just being a more dynamic, younger team. Neal is dead weight. Either of those two could do a better job supporting Malkin. They've shown it. Smith-Pelly more than Etem so far. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't watched them play that much.

As far as the draft picks go, I think it's fair to say both those kids are higher ranked than Scherbak or Ho-Sang for some decent reasons. I wouldn't touch Ho-Sang if Scherbak is on the table at 22. Ultimately if nothing changes either Scherbak or Barbashev are my picks. I just feel like getting a cheaper option with similar numbers at the goalie position is important. Have to do it now. Neal can be moved and help now. Getting those picks makes sense. Winnipeg and Anaheim both have needs there. They both can also afford to lose the picks. Anaheim has 2. Winnipeg would just move back.

At the end of the day you get a player that can chip in now. Top 6 even. Smith-Pelly knows how to support stars at this level. Then you draft 2 kids that likely get a crack at the team right away. If nothing else they're ready sooner rather than later. You end up with roughly $9M more in cap space as well. Plenty of money to burn on Hemsky and Pouliot or whoever you want.

No we wouldn't.

You lose on the Sutter deal. He is worth more than a random prospect and a fringe NHL player

Dupes back makes Stempy redundant to me

Why is it necessary to buy into this joke of a package deal of Grabo and Kulemin?

Komarov, I have zero desire. Rags will resign B. Pouliot IMO.
- Oneonta Penguin

Stemp is very meh to me. He had an opportunity to shine and earn a decent pay check and he just blended in most of the time. Glass, Adams, Vitale, Megna, Stemp, all seemed interchangeable.

I dont understand these Sutter and MAF trade rumors. We are talking about a team that is being criticized for their playoff failures and we are trading away arguable 2 of our top players from this years playoffs? Also, Sutter is hands down one of our top energy/role players and i dont see any way to acquire a better goalie right now than MAF for a reasonable cost.

I have 0 interest in loading up more Russians on this team. Who is gonna dress when all 3 take the night off?

I've seen enough recent Russian Olympic failures to have any faith in them.
- sammy87

Don Cherry is that you?

Stemp is very meh to me. He had an opportunity to shine and earn a decent pay check and he just blended in most of the time. Glass, Adams, Vitale, Megna, Stemp, all seemed interchangeable.
- sammy87

Stemp did some good things. There are some things he did that would be valuable. If Dupes stays on the first line, Stemp on the third wouldn't be bad to me.

Stemp is better than all the names you mentioned. The others you mentioned are fourth line dudes to me, or AHL guys.

Stemp did some good things. There are some things he did that would be valuable. If Dupes stays on the first line, Stemp on the third wouldn't be bad to me.

Stemp is better than all the names you mentioned. The others you mentioned are fourth line dudes to me, or AHL guys.
- Oneonta Penguin

If Dupes is on the 1st again and Stemp on the 3rd...I'm out.

Don Cherry is that you?
- Orpik44

Do you not watch the Olympics or not a Pens fan during the Kovalev years or Morozov years. I can think of 1 Russian that gives 100% the majority of the time, his name is not Malkin.